Re: [AMC-list] AMC's & Freon

[Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>]

Perhaps it was outlawed because the AC condenser is more likely to be punctured
and leak in an accident than the fuel system. 
  
Ken


Quoting Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>:

> A product called "Enviro-Safe" is the same thing as R-12a -- basically a
> mixture of butane and propane. Propane is a better refrigerant but doesn't
> carry oil well, so butane (which does carry oil) is added. Something like a
> 60/40 blend. 
> 
> Don't get upset about using a flammable gas in the AC system. There is only
> about half a propane torch bottle's worth in there, and you have to have a
> red hot piece of metal or an open flame to ignite it. Some states have
> outlawed it because it's flammable... the idiots! You should be more worried
> about the 12-20 gallons of flammable liquid under the car that's under 20-50
> psi of pressure (EFI systems) that will catch on fire and/or explode MUCH
> easier than a little propane/butane mix!! I suspect DuPont had something to
> do with getting it outlawed -- if cheap propane is widely known to work and
> accepted how could they sell proprietary R-134a?
> 
> I've used Enviro-Safe and it worked as good or better than R-134a, same
> experience as Bruce. I can't say if it works better than Freeze-12 or not.
> I've never mixed it with another refrigerant either, but since products like
> Freeze-12 are blends, there's no reason it shouldn't work. Bruce has done it,
> so it's obviously not going to hurt anything. I decided to give Freeze-12 a
> go this time and am happy with it. I had charged my system with Envrio-Safe
> myself. 
> 
> ------------------------
> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 09:04:12 -0400
> From: "Bruce Hevner" <scramblr@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> I've used this product for over 20 years with great success and not a single
> failure,,,
> 
> http://www.oztechnologyinc.com/
> 
> I've installed it fresh and dropped in in right over R12. Works MUCH better
> than the 134 CRAP!
> 
>  
> 
> We make all kinds of custom A/C hose at the Carquest where I work. We have a
> portable tool and are able to make hoses on site for industrial equipment.
> Might want to check with some of your local parts store about hoses. If they
> don't make em they can probably tell you who does.
> 
> -- 
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars" 
> Magazine (AMC)
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