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- From: jim williams <sportsix63@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 06:57:23 -0700 (PDT)
Jim Williams Lewisburg, West Virginia
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> 1. Re: Slight vibration in steering wheel
> at 55 or so ('65
> Rambler American) (Wrambler)
> 2. Re: Talk to me about headliners (Marc
> Montoni)
> 3. Re: Talk to me about headliners (Bruce
> Griffis)
> 4. 1978 AMX (michael canada)
> 5. Re: 1978 AMX (Joe Fulton)
> 6. Re: Slight vibration in steering wheel
> at 55 or so ('65
> Rambler American) (tom jennings)
> 7. Re: An SC/Rambler Question (Jock J
> JocewJ Jocewicz)
> 8. Re: Talk to me about headliners (L.D.
> Lyons)
> 9. Re: Slight vibration in steering wheel
> at 55 or so ('65
> Rambler American) (Wrambler)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 03:09:38 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Slight vibration in steering wheel
> at 55 or so
> ('65 Rambler American)
> To: "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> vibration could be a wheel or tire slightly not round.
> lower tire pressures would help hide that.
> You may have no real problems at all. I have run into that
> light vibration many times with some off brand tires.
>
> You may be able to get a lot of the info on checking your
> front end for wear out of the tsm.
> Basically you need to hang the front wheels in the air and
> check for play.
> Trunions are harder to diagnose. if they are really worn
> you will see it as the tires start to lean, steering becomes
> difficult etc, I know there were several places on the
> web that dealt with going over one of those front ends to
> check it for wear and to rebuild.
>
> Surely someone here can point to one, I don't have any of
> that bookmarked.
>
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV 26508
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
> "I realize that death is inevitable.
> I just don't want to be around when it happens!"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Griffis" <bruce.griffis@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" <Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:03:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> Eastern
> Subject: [AMC-list] Slight vibration in steering wheel at
> 55 or so ('65 Rambler American)
>
> I had been running my tires at 25PSI, but pumped them up to
> 30 last
> night. Running around today I noticed more of a vibration
> in the
> steering wheel when cruising at 50-55MPH. Not a lot, but
> some. I know
> I have to replace the strut bushings and have them on hand.
> If I'm
> messing around - how do I know when I need to replace tie
> rod ends,
> ball joints and all that stuff? The car does seem to float
> at speed,
> steering is imprecise (compared to my Corolla and my
> wife's
> Highlander). Is it time to get a whole stack 'o parts then
> bring it in
> for alignment once finished? What should be included in
> that stack 'o
> parts?
>
> Tires are new and balanced. Shocks are new. The rest is
> pretty old.
>
> Also, while gazing fondly at the trunnions, I noticed a
> small hole in
> each of them facing the back of the car. Do they normally
> have small
> holes drilled in them? Would an enterprising fellow pop a
> grease gun
> up there? Or what's the deal? Perhaps I ought to take a
> picture and
> post it.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 23:12:09 -0400
> From: Marc Montoni <Freedom@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Talk to me about headliners
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>
> You know, speakingof headliners, there use to be companies
> that sold headliner supports. These were flat pieces
> of spring steel that were reinforced in the center so they
> wouldn't sag. You ordered one that was close to the
> width of your headliner and installed it underneath (where
> you could see it while sitting in the car). You just
> hooked one side into the "J" molding that borders the
> headliner, then pushed up the other and got it into the J
> molding on the other side.
>
> They were specifically designed to hold up sagging
> headliners. They weren't for the purist, but they kept
> the headliner off your head.
>
> Does anyone know if any suppliers still sell those
> things?
>
> I'm really not interested in trying to re-glue the rear
> headliner back up on my 65 American wagon (the glue never
> holds for long)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 03:36:29 +0000
> From: Bruce Griffis <bruce.griffis@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Talk to me about headliners
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Mine's hardboard. Just one big piece of something or other
> -
> definately not cloth and hangers! Paint sounds just fine. I
> might try
> just gently cleaning it first - but if that doesn't pain
> out - it's
> paint!
>
> On 5/16/09, Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > I did not see if you mentioned if it is hardboard or
> cloth and hangers?
> >
> > I painted the hardboard headliner in mine as it was
> too far gone to get
> > cleaned and looking good.
> > I used a plain simple latex paint and had a mildewcide
> to keep things from
> > growning up there while in storage.
> > You can pick sheen to suit your taste, paint is cheap,
> I used a smooth foam
> > roller.
> > Mine has been done for about 10 years now and still
> looks like the day I did
> > it.
> >
> > If you do this be careful not to push the visors up
> against the headliner as
> > the paint wanted to stick right where the edges of the
> visors touched, I
> > have like two little spots that need touched up,
> someday. They are not even
> > noticeable to anyone but me.
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 22:56:13 -0500
> From: "michael canada" <gcanada@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-list] 1978 AMX
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Hi I need a front spoiler for a 1978 AMX if any has one for
> sale please call, write, E-Mail me .
> 309-382-2078 Michael Canada 301 N-Main ST. N-Pekin
> Il. gcanada@xxxxxxxxx Thanks
> in advance.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 21:25:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Joe Fulton <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] 1978 AMX
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> I thought Eddie Stakes just put one on Ebay. You
> might want to check.
>
> Joe Fulton
>
>
> --- On Fri, 5/15/09, michael canada <gcanada@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > From: michael canada <gcanada@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [AMC-list] 1978 AMX
> > To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 8:56 PM
> > Hi I need a front spoiler for a 1978 AMX if any has
> one for
> > sale please call, write, E-Mail me .
> 309-382-2078 Michael
> > Canada 301 N-Main ST. N-Pekin Il. gcanada@xxxxxxxxx
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 21:28:35 -0700
> From: tom jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Slight vibration in steering wheel
> at 55 or so
> ('65 Rambler
> American)
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
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> Side to side play in these things is often due to the
> steering box. Both of
> my old'uns have worn boxes. Stable, but a bit of wander.
> I've been meaning
> to do up the Classic box, I have a spare (the original).
>
> If it's bad enough, you can simply squat down, grab the top
> of the tire and
> SHAKE THE CRAP OUT OF IT. Shouldn't have ANY noticable
> slop.
>
> Also, jack up a wheel enough to get a 4" length of 2x4
> under it. Lift up on
> the 2x4 (far end on the ground) and see if you can "rattle"
> the suspension
> that side. With car weight on it it's harder to notice. Do
> the same side to
> side, though that's less conclusive since the tie rods will
> move the other
> tire etc.
>
> The 2x4 trick is pretty good. Spend a few minutes getting a
> feel for it, and
> you can often figure out where the where is, lower ball
> joint, etc.
>
> Drop the car on a jack stand with a wheel dangling, get
> your kid to do the
> lifting (or put a rock under it and press down with his
> foot) and crawl
> under the car, look to see what's moving, or put your hand
> across a part
> (trunnion, etc) and see if you can feel part A moving
> against part B.
>
> Almost certainly, if one side is bad, no point in checking
> the other, it's
> bad too. If one is good, well, check the other :-)
>
> --
> All of your arguments are invalid.
> Enjoy your unstable system.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 23:34:42 -0500
> From: Jock J JocewJ Jocewicz <namdra@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] An SC/Rambler Question
> To: martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,
> amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <20090515.233442.4044.0.NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx>
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> I hope Davis meant Super Coupe, not Super Coup.
> Chicken Coup?? But
> really all Doc is doing is opening up a can of worms
> because you will get
> 10's of answers on what SC, SST, etc. mean. For my
> preference I would
> prefer Super Car for the SC/Rambler because it was a super
> car!!!!
>
> On Fri, 15 May 2009 14:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Davis Martin
> <martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> writes:
> > Doc,
> > SC Super Coup
> > SST Super Street
> >
> > --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Mr. AMC <amc74hornet@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Mr. AMC <amc74hornet@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: [AMC-list] An SC/Rambler Question
> > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx,
> BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 1:28 PM
> >
> > A new member to my AMC model group is trying to learn
> about
> > Ramblers/AMC's
> > and brought up a question. What does the SC stand for
> in SC/Rambler.
> > Also what
> > does it stand for in relation to the SC360 Hornet? One
> last one what
> > does SST
> > stand for? These are questions that have never crossed
> my mind. Any
> > help would
> > be appreciated.
> > "Doc"
>
>
>
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> or
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 05:55:35 -0500
> From: "L.D. Lyons" <ldlyons@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Talk to me about headliners
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
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>
> I operate my own upholstery shop here in Nebraska and have
> installed new
> foam backed headliner material on my 64 american.
> you need access to a low pressure spary gun, Weldwood
> landau adhesive. you
> can purchase the Headliner material from an Auto Upholstery
> shop. Remove
> hedliner from car
> Remove any dirt & grease
> scuff up with scouring pad, wipre clean so there is now
> dust or residue.
> lay new piece on headliner shell, fold back half way. Spray
> both the shell
> and material with the Weldwood adhesive let dry
> according to directions
> then pull material over shell smoothing with your hand from
> the center out.
> Fold back the other half repeat.
> This makes a nice looking headliner.
> Butch Lyons
> 64 American 440 Hdtp
> 65 Classic 770 Conv
> 63 Ambassador 880 4dr (daily driver)
> 64 Typhoon
> 64 Classic 770 Hdtp with 232six
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Griffis" <bruce.griffis@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Talk to me about headliners
>
>
> > Mine's hardboard. Just one big piece of something or
> other -
> > definately not cloth and hangers! Paint sounds just
> fine. I might try
> > just gently cleaning it first - but if that doesn't
> pain out - it's
> > paint!
> >
> > On 5/16/09, Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >> I did not see if you mentioned if it is hardboard
> or cloth and hangers?
> >>
> >> I painted the hardboard headliner in mine as it
> was too far gone to get
> >> cleaned and looking good.
> >> I used a plain simple latex paint and had a
> mildewcide to keep things
> >> from
> >> growning up there while in storage.
> >> You can pick sheen to suit your taste, paint is
> cheap, I used a smooth
> >> foam
> >> roller.
> >> Mine has been done for about 10 years now and
> still looks like the day I
> >> did
> >> it.
> >>
> >> If you do this be careful not to push the visors
> up against the headliner
> >> as
> >> the paint wanted to stick right where the edges of
> the visors touched, I
> >> have like two little spots that need touched up,
> someday. They are not
> >> even
> >> noticeable to anyone but me.
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > AMC-list mailing list
> > AMC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:07:56 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Slight vibration in steering wheel
> at 55 or so
> ('65 Rambler American)
> To: "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
> <1317522398.9967191242479276355.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Did you perhaps mean a 4' length of 2X4" ?!
>
> Technically you check balljoints with them "unloaded"
> For our cars you hang the suspension as Tom says, place the
> jackstands under the subframe and let wheel droop.
> Then work the hanging tire with a pipe or 2X4.
>
> With a GM car that runs the spirng to the lower control arm
> you place the stand or jack under the control arm and work
> the tire to see if there is play.
>
> There is a little bit of an art to it as you have to induce
> or find the play if something is worn and fingure out WHAT
> is worn out!
>
> Mark Price
> Morgantown, WV 26508
> 1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
> 2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
> "I realize that death is inevitable.
> I just don't want to be around when it happens!"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tom jennings" <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> To: "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:28:35 AM GMT -05:00
> US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Slight vibration in steering wheel
> at 55 or so ('65 Rambler American)
>
> Side to side play in these things is often due to the
> steering box. Both of
> my old'uns have worn boxes. Stable, but a bit of wander.
> I've been meaning
> to do up the Classic box, I have a spare (the original).
>
> If it's bad enough, you can simply squat down, grab the top
> of the tire and
> SHAKE THE CRAP OUT OF IT. Shouldn't have ANY noticable
> slop.
>
> Also, jack up a wheel enough to get a 4" length of 2x4
> under it. Lift up on
> the 2x4 (far end on the ground) and see if you can "rattle"
> the suspension
> that side. With car weight on it it's harder to notice. Do
> the same side to
> side, though that's less conclusive since the tie rods will
> move the other
> tire etc.
>
> The 2x4 trick is pretty good. Spend a few minutes getting a
> feel for it, and
> you can often figure out where the where is, lower ball
> joint, etc.
>
> Drop the car on a jack stand with a wheel dangling, get
> your kid to do the
> lifting (or put a rock under it and press down with his
> foot) and crawl
> under the car, look to see what's moving, or put your hand
> across a part
> (trunnion, etc) and see if you can feel part A moving
> against part B.
>
> Almost certainly, if one side is bad, no point in checking
> the other, it's
> bad too. If one is good, well, check the other :-)
>
> --
> All of your arguments are invalid.
> Enjoy your unstable system.
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