Re: [Amc-list] Preservation Not Restoration

[Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Yep to all of it.
I do live in pretty much the same crappy climate however...

Does not get quite as cold, but cold and wet and damp enough.

None of this stuff is magic, none.

Clean it as best you can with the tools you have.
I always do the best I can. Honestly I have read, read and reread stuff on everything, Sherwin williams, por 15, you name it.
I read it, etc, Finally ordered the Eastwood, I clean off everything, I grind then sand etc, till I darn near polish it. if I had the time and place to do it properly I would sandblast it. It does not depend on the top coat or the primer coat how much I do this.  I always to it this way! Anything worth doing once is worth doing right.

  I expect Mr. AMC, aka, DOC will do or have done equally good prep work.  The Eastwood or Sherwin Williams or other coating of choice will likly do equally well.  As mentioned I would follow directions, one coat would be red and the topcoat would be the black. If I wanted to get a slightly textury look I would use a small detail roller and foam brushes.  Want a smooth satin finish? It can be sprayed, but I would not do that from what I have heard it is rather nasty stuff once sprayed! I would roller the two coats on and the use somewhere in the area of 600-800 grit wet sandpaper and block or da it down. I actualy did some sanding on some of what I have applied and it smooths right out. 

  As for spraying, I guess I will amend that. Rather than place that stuff thru any of my guns I would buy the spray cans! Be much simpler.

  In the end, what I am saying about the rust encapsulator is to treat the panels to the best of your ability as if you are not using it! Get as much of everything off the panel, then use it.
  
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV 26508
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
2004 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 4.7L, Quadratrac II
"I realize that death is inevitable.
I just don't want to be around when it happens!"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 7:30:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Preservation Not Restoration

Doc,
I sympathize with you, however, you may want to consider this.........
Don't blame it on the poor kid............
He's only gonna be as good as the parents that raised him, (or failed to
raise him) and he's only gonna know as much as the
idiots , er, excuse me, personnel in the Sherwin Williams store taught him.
I agree with you that the service we used to enjoy from the retail industry,
just does not exist any more in a lot of cases. I guess that's maybe why
more of us do all of our research and purchasing on line and try to stay
away from the "quick to sell you things you really don't need or are the
wrong thing" retail industry. There's a couple real good parts dealers
around here, and some real good paint stores too. The new O Reilly's Auto
Parts store has a young guy and a young gal, besides the management people,
working there who really have their act together, ( I think their parents
raised them well and the store trained them in very good too). Maybe I'm
just lucky so far.......

I'm not convinced that rust encapsulator is the real deal, maybe it's just
because I've only tried the early products that were made for that purpose,
and had little to no success with them. I'm still a firm believer in
removing all the rust, either by blasting, grinding, or chemicals, and then
etching and epoxy primers. I know Mark and Davis and many others have had
good luck with the products, but I just don't know what to think when you
throw in the crappy climate I live in and trying to hide or neutralize rust.
The weather goes from 25 to 30 below zero to 95 to 100 above zero, and from
very low humidity to nearly 100% humidity. Everything expands and contracts
so much and goes from bone dry to soaking wet so quick, that I just don't
know for sure what works the best to contain, stop, reverse, or eliminate
rust. I haven't heard of many restoration shops or body shops that use rust
encapsulators. Most of them remove the rust and then use etching chemicals
and primers. I'm sure there are quite a number that do, but I just have only
heard of a few.

Just my two cents worth............

Good Luck with it Doc,

Armand


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mr. AMC" <amc74hornet@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:16 PM
Subject: [Amc-list] Preservation Not Restoration


> After checking out all the rust encapsulating paint I decided to go with
Eastwood. I checked out SEM as Davis Martin suggested. I went to the site
got all the part no#'s and went down the street to the Sherman Williams
dealer that handles SEM. I like a face to face when I am asking questions
After waiting for almost 20 minuets for the boss to get of the phone I was
talked to like I didn't know what I was talking about by some young college
looking boy 1/3'd my age. The MORON was the one who didn't listen. After I
explained what I was going to do he asked if I as going to use the product
over the vinyl top. And then asked if the roof was ALUMINUM!!!!! I said good
by and walked out. I been working on cars before that little snot nosed rug
rat was even a gleam in his fathers eye. So next week the leaky windshield
and rust around it gets fixed
> "Doc"
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