Re: [Amc-list] 7 Main Bearing engine into 62 Classic

["oldcars@xxxxxxxxx" <oldcars@xxxxxxxxx>]

After having a good look at things, I have come to think that I might want
to use the 1967 199 instead of the later 232. 

The 1967 199 should bolt up to the 1962 bell housing, which means I can
retain the rear mounts as are already in place.
I imagine I would have to use the 1967 starter
I should be able to use the 1962 flywheel and clutch internals...or would I
need to use the 1967 flywheel?

Now, as far as the transmission itself goes, the top bolts and the bearing
retainer look to be in the exact same location on both transmissions.
The difference is in the lower 2 bolts. 
It looks like the lower holes from the 62 would line up on the outside of
the transmission case of the 67.
So...I am thinking I could make a pair of brackets which would bolt to the
lower holes in the 1962 bellhousing, and to the lower holes (ears) on the
1967 transmission. 

That way there would be no space between the front face of the transmission
and the bellhousing rear face.

If it became necessary to make a plate which would bolt to all 6 holes (top
2 bolts would bolt through the plate, the plate would bolt to the bottom 2
holes on the bellhousing, and to the bottom holes (ears)on the
transmission. 
How thick could I get away with making such a plate?
Eventually it would interfere with the tip of the input shaft being in the
bearing at the back of the crankshaft.

I would prefer not to have to disassemble both transmissions and move all
the internals over from the 67 to the 62.



Original Message:
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From:  adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 23:33:19 -0400 (EDT)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 7 Main Bearing engine into 62 Classic


" From: "oldcars@xxxxxxxxx" <oldcars@xxxxxxxxx>
" 
" Hey Gang, 
" 
"     I have been looking at my 62 Classic, and trying to figure out what to
" do with it.  As you may remember, the T96 is jammed into 2 gears at once,
" and I figure it is a writeoff. 

it can be unjammed.  my second american used to do this until i
readjusted the shift linkage.  i drove it without further problems for
some 8 years after that.

"     I have a T96 out of a 67 American, and was figuring on taking it and
" using the gearbox (front part) from it and the tailshaft housing from the
" 62, but as was pointed out, the front face of the T96 got changed when the
" cars went from 4-point mounting to 3-point mounting, so that the 67
gearbox
" will not bolt up to the 62 clutch.
" 
"     Sitting next to the 62 is a pretty rusty 75 Gremlin, with a good
" running 232, and it has the multi-pattern bell so it will bolt up to a
" T96 (the Grem has a 150-T).
" 
"     []
" 
"       So....if I take the gearbox from the 1967 and bolt it to the 62
" tailshaft housing, and bolt that up to the 232 and multi-pattern bell, and
" get the extensions welded onto the middle crossmember (would need to make
" some kind of jig up, so that it would hold them at the right distance
apart
" and and the right angle of rotation relative to the horizon looking at it
" from the front), and if I could find some kind of really thin insulator to
" go between the multi-pattern bell and the rear cross member...would it
work?

maybe you could fab some steel 'elephant ears' that would bolt to the
big ford [t150] pattern on the bell and hook to the rear 4-point
mounts?  but the bell is as you say bigger, so the mounts probably end
up wanting to be inside it...

idle speculation - wonder if later big car or jav crossmembers would
bolt in?

"        One question is the clutch bellcrank - can I use the inner pivot
" (mounted to the bell housing) from the 75 with the 62 bellcrank? They look
" like they would line up. Can I just use the clutch internals from the 75?
" It looks like the input shafts should be compatible.

are you sure the grem has a t150?  iirc amc's last t14s went into
grems as late as '76 while big cars got t150s as early as '74.  if it
is a t14, a shame you can't [easily] use it - geared like the t96 but
full synchro; stronger too - but you'd need something like a jeep t14
t/c adapter, then you'd have to mill up a block to go between it and
the tt donut and take the torque rods...

afaik the 9" pp was used from the late '50s / early '60s up to the
late '70s, so that'll bolt up, but the disk for the t150 has a 1 1/16"
spline vs. the smaller - 15/16" or 1", i've heard both - t96/t14
spline, so you'll need a different disk.  if you already have a 9"
clutch, you have it.

you could also go hd with a 10" pp and perfection rcf446 disk or
crossmatch, if one's still available.  [on the '71-earlier bells the
pp  - at least b&b type - has to really be 10", but you don't have to
worry]
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