Re: [Amc-list] Water Powered Engine

[Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>]

Electrolysis works. THe catch is there is total energy LOST -- with a 
100% perfect system (which is impossible) you will get out less energy 
than you put IN. You might as well just use the energy you had, in the 
FIRST PLACE.

Hydrogen is not a fuel.

Sticks, laying on the ground, is "fuel". Fuel, as we use it today, means 
'energy I did not pay for', literally. Oil was made by the planet over 
zillions of years, then we took it out in 100, 200, whatever. We found 
it laying on the ground!

Hydrogen is one of many energy storage and transport systems; you don't 
"get" hydrogen, it's insanely well-bonded to other molecules, like 
oxygen, from which it doesn't like to leave, you have to force it. That 
H-O bond is well known, well defined, and there's no short-cut to 
breaking it.

To get X units of energy from splitting water you need X times M units 
of energy to split it. M is your "efficiency".

Hydrogen as a fuel would work great if you could plug the electrolyzer 
into your neighbors outlet! :-)

Hydrogen isn't even a GOOD energy storage mechanism! The only reason 
it's talked about for widespread use is because it would be arguably 
feasable for existing oil companies to do. Seriously -- there's no other 
reason. Internal combustion without petroleum has no future.


Solar/wind/nuclear electric beats it all 100 times over, yet that would 
upset the oil industries (solar/wind) and the rest of us politically 
(nuclear).

Don't overlook that the spectacularly performing semiconductor industry 
(transistors... ICs... computers in phones...) have brought solar cell 
tech to nearly 30% efficiency routinely -- it goes up about 2% a year 
now -- they're way past the point of  cost-effectiveness for mass 
deployment. There's no will for it though.



Dave McCombs wrote:
> I wouldn't mind taking a look at it. It'll give me something to play with
> for a physics project next semester.
> 
> Dave M.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Joe Smith <know_ware@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> I just bought an e-book on Water Powered Engines.  I will send it for free
>> to anyone interested. (isn't Tom our resident mad scientist?)  I am looking
>> for someone who has the time to actually try it, I don't have a garage, but
>> may try it in my kitchen after I have read the book.
>> Thanks,
>> Joe
>>
>>
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