Re: [Amc-list] Found out why my '65 American was parked! (brake lines)

[Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>]

No, it does matter and the lines Bendix lines don't fit the Wagner 
master cylinder. The outlets are in difference places and there is about 
2" of different between the Wagner and Bendix master cylinder. This is 
called out in the parts book. These brake lines on six cylinder cars 
without power brakes are the same:

* Rear axle lines
* Valve to axle
* Valve to right front wheel
* T fitting to valve (this line has a hump in it on Bendix master 
cylinder cars)
* T fitting to left front wheel

What's different are:

* T fitting to front master cylinder port
* Rear master cylinder port to valve

Here's a Wagner master cylinder: 
http://www.mattsoldcars.com/1967american/images/engine_stuff/clean_up/driver_side.jpg

Here's a Bendix master cylinder: 
http://www.mattsoldcars.com/buymyrebel/images/driver_toeboard.jpg

Not the best comparison (especially since the second picture has lines I 
made up myself) but you can see there are size differences.

Matt

Frank Swygert wrote:
> It wouldn't matter who made the master cylinder as long as it had the same bore and stroke. Good thing the wheel cylinders were the same size on Bendix and Wagner brakes for the American! Bendix used to use a large flare nut with a small line to prevent mixing the front and rear brake lines on the master cylinder in the early 60s. I guess by 67 they had discontinued that practice since you mention the lines fit Bendix or Wagner MCs. 
> 
> --------------
> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:35:56 -0500
> From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> 
> Americans used both Wagner and Bendix master cylinders in 1967. They 
> also used Wagner and Bendix brake systems (which doesn't impact the 
> brake lines) but which master was used with which brake type doesn't 
> seem to be connected.
> 
> Matt
> 
> Frank Swygert wrote:
> 
>>> You are absolutely correct! I totally forgot about both issues, which 
>>> would need to be addressed if ordering lines. In 65 199 and 195.6 
>>> powered cars used Bendix, only the (somewhat rare) 232 powered cars used 
>>> Wagners (or at least that's what the TSM says -- we all know there were 
>>> exceptions!). I didn't think about the power brake issue either, but 
>>> those aren't exactly common on Americans either, and I don't think they 
>>> were available on the SC/Rambler (would just require changing the two 
>>> feed lines between junction block and MC though). All 69 Ramblers 
>>> (American/Rogue was just called "Rambler" in 69) used Bendix brakes, so 
>>> that info will help! The only 69 to use Wagners was the (AMC) Rebel six 
>>> cylinder sedan and hardtop built in Kenosha (Canadian models used 
>>> Bendix)

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mhaas@xxxxxxx
Cincinnati, OH
http://www.mattsoldcars.com
1967 Rambler American wagon
1968 Rambler American sedan
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