Re: [Amc-list] Thomas Garner, 64 Classic (Tom Jennings)
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Re: [Amc-list] Thomas Garner, 64 Classic (Tom Jennings)
- From: "Thomas Garner" <Tgarner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 04:36:29 -0700
I'm not sure if I should reply to all or one person who replied. Anyways, as I was telling Frank, it has a 232 badge on the front fender so I'd always assumed it was a 232. My 63 parts car has a 196 I think, but I'm sure my 64 is a 232. My reason of wanting to swap is for power. If I get near 60-65 MPH, my engine is wrapped up tight. Just not any more push in it at that point.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: OT Mapp Gas Torch (Frank Swygert)
2. Re: Thomas Garner, 64 Classic (Tom Jennings)
3. Re: t96, torque, revvy sixes, was Re: more information on my
63 770 (Matt Haas)
4. You guys are KILLING ME!! Re: Take a look at a tired old
Rambler (Arvon Griffiths)
5. Re: more information on my 63 770 (Matt Haas)
6. Re: t 14 transmission ratios (Ken Ames)
7. Re: door pic (Matt Haas)
8. Re: 195.6 head torque (Ken Ames)
9. Re; T 14 Transmission ratios (John Elle)
10. Re: gas tank is bad (Ken Ames)
11. Re: chilson get to gather (Robert Sliko)
12. Re: Thomas Garner, 64 Classic (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx)
13. 1963 Rambler Gas Tanks - Options - (Brien Tourville)
14. Possibly another substitute differential for an AMC. (Ken Ames)
15. Re: t96, torque, revvy sixes, was Re: more information on my
63 770 (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:30:15 -0600
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] OT Mapp Gas Torch
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Joe, check the local Home Depot or Lowe's. Bernz-O-Matic still sells a similar outfit. The disposable bottle should be the same -- they look a lot like the propane/MAPP bottles (have the same type valve connector) but are a different color.
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From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Amc-list] OT Mapp Gas Torch
I have a Sears portable torch kit (MAPP/oxygen) that
came with a DOT Exempt Oxygen (disposable) cylinder
(3000 psi) that you can't find anymore. Sears doesn't
have a part number for it either.
--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
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(free download available!)
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:14:25 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Thomas Garner, 64 Classic
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <200708061614.25338.tomj@xxxxxxx>
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On Monday 06 August 2007 16:35:42 Frank Swygert wrote:
> A relatively
> easy upgrade is to the newer 199 or 232 six. It all bolts to your
> transmission, and you just need to move the radiator forward a bit. That's
> done by changing the brackets from side to side. You'll need a 1964-1971
> 199 or 232.
... you need a 64-up crossmember too. Ask how I know :-)
I did this very swap. It was in 1988 (I still have it) so fuzzy memory... but
I distinctly recall my dismay on mounts not lining up! Note this was
pre-internet, pre-AMC-list...
Even when I got the front x-member, I had to drill new holes in the pads to
shift the biscuits fore or aft. That was not hard, I just used a 3/8" drive
hand drill.
I have a 1970 232 in front of a M12 or is it M11 aluminum, air-cooled
Borg-Warner transmission, and stock 6cyl torque tube drive. It's been
entirely trouble free (oh yeah,except when I sheared off the pinion shaft!
Believe me it wasn't from engine torque; it was a bad forging, there was a
discoloration showing an old old crack...). The little trans, which I baby on
mountain slopes, and get tuned up every year or two, lasted 18 years on the
first rebuild, and is now on it's second. Wish I could put a cooler in it!
This weekend, I'm putting a Summit mechanical water temp guage "on" it, by
silicone-ing the sender to the side of the case. Should be good enough
thermal coupling.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:34:53 -0400
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] t96, torque, revvy sixes, was Re: more
information on my 63 770
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <46B7BE2D.8010708@xxxxxxx>
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<snip>
> (Back to the original quoted message...) since torque would not be increased,
> only revs, you could to this in an older car in front of a T96, I bet, unless
> you revved to do hole shots. A 199 is not exactly torquey.
</snip>
I can attest to that. My 67 American has a 199 and an automatic which
makes it a slug around town. Once it's up near highway speed, it's
actually okay. The 232 in my 68 American (which was not rebuilt to stock
specs) with a 3 speed manual is a totally different beast. It's really
torquey. However, I don't think you can rev the wee out of either of
them when not in neutral. The 68 tops out at 85 mph and if memory serves
(which means I'm probably wrong), that's not much over 4000 RPM. Both
cars are great highway cruisers. They are both happy around 70 MPH and
when I took the 68 to Kenosha in 2004, I'm not sure I did much slower
than that until I got to Chicago.
Matt
--
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1967 Rambler American wagon
1968 Rambler American sedan
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:37:42 -0500
From: Arvon Griffiths <arfonrg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Amc-list] You guys are KILLING ME!! Re: Take a look at a
tired old Rambler
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: adamjyoung70@xxxxxxxxxxx
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I saw '770' in the pictures, it's a Classic!
An Ambassador would have been a 990.
I can't believe you guys chatted so long about door codes!
>I have posted pictures on my blog of my 63 rambler. If anyone has tips or
>advice please comment.
>
>I also have a service engine code. Please look at this and maybe we can
>figure out the mistery of the date code with 7 digets and an "S" in the
>begining.
>
>Also notice my grill. it says ambassador on the it. Is my car an ambassador
>classic 770?
>
>anyway please check out my site.
>
>http://backtokenoshawi.blogspot.com/
>
>Thanks-
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:38:13 -0400
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] more information on my 63 770
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <46B7BEF5.1090703@xxxxxxx>
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I wonder what the factory used? The steering wheel on my 67 American is
cast in red and dark green the wheel I bought off eBay a couple months
ago was cast in black. The paint seems to have held up pretty well on both.
Matt
JOE FULTON wrote:
> The Chevy guys on the stovebolt page who have restored
> their own antique truck steering wheels have reported
> that two-part epoxy paint holds up fairly well.
>
> Joe Fulton
> Salinas, CA
> --- Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 05 August 2007 07:16:02 Matt Haas wrote:
>>
> > I'm not sure what type of paint the factory used
>> on steering
>>> wheels but I would not use a lacquer based paint
>> (which is what most
>>> spray paint is) since the solvents are very
>> aggressive.
>>
>> Been there done that don't bother! (I did our other
>> Hornet's steering wheel
>> black.) Hand wear kills paint ASAP. For both
>> Hornets, I simply got
>> good-quality leather lace-on steering wheel covers.
>> I did also paint them
>> first, so that there is no color transition and the
>> parts you can see match.
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1967 Rambler American wagon
1968 Rambler American sedan
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:48:37 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] t 14 transmission ratios
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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72 TSM says 2.636, 1.605, and 1:1
Ken
Quoting Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>:
> On Sunday 05 August 2007 15:41:19 M Walter wrote:
> > Hello, I have recently purchased a t 14 trans to put in my '63 american
> > convertible. I cannot find any information on what gear ratios were in
> > them.
>
> http://amccf.laatikko.org/tech/amc_manual_trannies.html#T-14
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:55:55 -0400
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] door pic
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <46B7C31B.1080709@xxxxxxx>
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Here you go:
Model: 63 Classic 2 door sedan, 770 trim
Trim: 1963 deluxe red bench in vinyl (this trim is unique to 770's,
likely fancier door panels and maybe seat patterns)
Paint: Classic Black with Frost White accent color (usually roof but may
be other parts as well)
The number starting with E is the production sequence number. Your car
was built in early November, 1962 (probably built on November 1st or
2nd) and went down the east assembly line.
Matt
adam young wrote:
> Hey guys-
>
> i have posted the pic of my door panel on my blog.
>
> http://backtokenoshawi.blogspot.com/
>
> looks like its a classic 770 with ambassador hood and grill.
>
> also noticing the 1-72 or classic black with frost white top.
>
> should be a great looking car when finished.
>
> anyone that has not been to my blog needs to vote to make sure AMC wins.
>
> currently AMC showing a great start at 91% of the vote.
>
> also no one has comented on the "back to kenosha, WI" name.
>
> is this to corny or too cool?
>
> Thanks again for you help-
>
> -Adam
>
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1967 Rambler American wagon
1968 Rambler American sedan
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:10:15 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] 195.6 head torque
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1186449015.46b7c677d5d34@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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63 manual says 58-62 ftlbs for the iron block and 50-53 for the aluminum block.
Ken
> On Monday 06 August 2007 05:00:30 adam young wrote:
>
> > is there a chart and torque ratings somewhere on the internet? how hot do
> > i want to get the engine. what is the proccedure on this?
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:13:47 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Amc-list] Re; T 14 Transmission ratios
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Snip
72 TSM says 2.636, 1.605, and 1:1
Snip
74 TSM Does too!
John
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:18:37 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] gas tank is bad
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hollander says the 63-64 Classic/Ambassador tanks are the same except for the
3seat wagon.
Ken
Quoting Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>:
> Tom, I wrote that 58-62 gas tanks are ALL the same regardless of model (and
> most likely 56-57 as well, but can't check those). 63 AMERICAN is the same as
> 58-62 (naturally, since 63 American is a continuation of the 62). 63-66
> CLASSIC and AMBO use the same tank, but it's NOT the same as the 62 and
> earlier, and later tanks are different also.
>
> As far as finding a new tank or a suitable replacement, you can almost forget
> it. Thebest choice I found -- get a Chryco Diplomat/Aspen/Volare/Fifth Avenue
> tank (http://www.quantaproducts.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CR-1B). That comes
> the closest in dimensions to fitting. It will fit where the Rambler tank was,
> but may hang down a bit more in the back. You will have to seal the old
> filler neck hole (easy -- rivets or screws, a piece of galvanized, and some
> epoxy do the trick), and will have to mount a new neck in the right place.
> That's a bit trickier, but a piece of 2" exhaust tubing is correct. If I had
> to do it without a welder I'd cut the hole as close as possible to the
> correct size then run the exhaust tubing 8-10" into the tank. Then you can
> screw or rivet through the bottom of the tank into the tubing. That is
> assuming the sedan tank is like the wagon tank -- the filler neck is right
> against the bottom of the tank. Seal around the tank the new neck with epoxy,
> and also se
> al around the screws or rivets. You might want to embed a little fiberglass
> cloth in the epoxy, or better yet scyff up the tanks and use a little
> fiberglass around the new filler. that will prevent leaks and strengthen the
> area. Or take it to a pro welder and have them weld the neck on. As long as
> it's a new gas tank that never had gas in it they won't mind. I'd take it
> over in the box just so they know for sure! This tank isn't an exact fit, but
> it's the closest I could find. I ended up building my own tank just because I
> could.
>
> Another choice is a 65-68 Mustang tank
> (http://www.quantaproducts.com/prodinfo.asp?number=F-28A). It's about the
> right size, and will fit. This tank is designed to be part of the trunk
> floor. Cut the floor out the right size, drop tank down and screw through the
> provided flange on the tank. The inlet is in the rear center. You can get a
> kit to put a cap directly on the neck and fill by opening the trunk, or use a
> 90 degree hose if the filler is in the center rear of the car you have.
> www.tanksinc.com sells Mustang tanks as universal street rod tanks, and has
> all the necessary accessories (click on "view products", then "universal
> tanks" or "accessories" -- they have lots of hose with bends and other things
> needed to make a different or custom tank work). The tank itself is cheaper
> from Quanta (first link), but you have to use a Ford sending unit or plug the
> original sending unit hole and use a universal type from the top. The Ford
> unit has the same range as the AMC gauge from
> the 50s-76 or so, so that's not a problem. The universal tank from Tanks
> Inc. has a recessed fitting for a universal sending unit (easy to find) and a
> bolt on filler neck that would require opening the trunk to fill.
>
> Instead of cutting the floor out of your Rambler you could mount the Mustang
> tank from the bottom using straps or bolts through the floor. The tank could
> rupture in a hard rear collision and let gas get in the passenger
> compartment. Ford didn't have a lot of problems with Mustangs and Falcons
> using this design, but did with the Pinto. Probably because there's just not
> much "back" to a Pinto, Mustang and Falcon has more car back there and
> stronger rails -- like the Ramblers.
> -------------------
> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:18:15 -0700
> From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
>
> > > how hard is it to find a new gas tank? is there a universal type that
> will
> > > work?
> >
>
> Probably not easy to find, unless you find one easily near you :-) If UPS
> etc
> knew there was a gasoline tank in a box they would crap bluebirds. Frank just
>
> wrote that it should be the same as classic, ambassador and american for 62
> and 63, that helps. If you cant find a good one, find a bad one. Junkyards
> around here pick-ax huge holes in the tank, but, I'm not joking, there's an
> upside to that, you can see in side to see if the metal's OK, which after 40+
>
> years is a big deal. Holes can be repaired. Chemical liners work.
>
>
>
> --
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
> Magazine (AMC)
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:20:44 -0400
From: "Robert Sliko" <robert.sliko@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] chilson get to gather
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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The Gordy Chilson AMC Homecoming is August 30 and September 1 in
Lawrenceville, PA
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Subject: Re: [Amc-list] chilson get to gather
> does any one no wut date the chilson get togather is
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:40:24 +0000
From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Thomas Garner, 64 Classic
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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You should [murderous word that one, locks you into the past!] welded a pipe thread bung into the pan. You'd have got a real good reading then...
I shoud have stayed at the cabin and drank 7/16/06. Then it would have likely been just another day...Followed by a hangover...
--
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
" I was different before people dared to be different"
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> This weekend, I'm putting a Summit mechanical water temp guage "on" it, by
> silicone-ing the sender to the side of the case. Should be good enough
> thermal coupling.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:53:19 -0400
From: Brien Tourville <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Amc-list] 1963 Rambler Gas Tanks - Options -
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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From:
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Date:
Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:10:00 -0400 (EDT)
To:
amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
" From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
"
" Another thoguht for us non restoration guys. What would a Cherokee XJ
" tank look like in the Classics and Ambassadors? I believe it is
" deeper, but size is probably smaller overall. The fill tubes are in
" the right, read that left, side too.
" Frank, didnt you look at one for yours? Early 84-86 had carb'd engines too.
iirc the -tank- is the same from '84 to '96 at least, just the sender
/ pickup with or without pump.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
---.---
Adam - if a Cherokee XJ tank fits you could eventually
drop a 2WD Cherokee XJ fuel injected 4.0 with Aisin 4 speed
Automatic in - XJ tanks come with pump in tank on F.I. engines.
Keep an eye on www.car-parts.com and www.naxja.org for an '88 or '89
Cherokee XJ Renix motor or '96 - '99, -
- find the 2wd trans. same way - put 'em
in the shed 'cause that what you want for Cruisn' to the Show ;)
Frank used a combination of parts to convert his Wagon to Highway Flyer -
his notes are in the Archive.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:58:33 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Amc-list] Possibly another substitute differential for an
AMC.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Noticed this at the local PnP. 89 Isuzu Trooper - removable centre section like
a 9", disc brakes, and about 57-58" surface-to-surface. Lots of wheel studs too.
http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r122/AMCKenA/?action=view¤t=trooperdiff1resize.jpg
http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r122/AMCKenA/?action=view¤t=trooperdiff2resize.jpg
Ken Ames
39Master85w.partscar,67Marlin,68AMX,70Machine,73Matador2drht,73Hornet4dsd,
73-74-75-76GremlinXs,75PacerX,76Hornet2dsd,77Matadorcpe,2-77AMXs,78AMX,
78Gremlin,78GremlinGT,79Concordhb,79PacerDL8,2-79AMXs,2-80AMXs,
2-80SpiritDL,80Eagle4dsdn,2-81SX4s,81SpiritGT,81Concord4dsd,82Eaglesw,
2-85Eaglesw,80J20,85J10,88Eaglesw,85Sentrasw,89Sentra4dsd (40)
AMCA = http://clubs.hemmings.com/amcalberta/
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:59:32 +0000
From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] t96, torque, revvy sixes, was Re: more
information on my 63 770
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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<080720070159.18735.46B7D20400070DAC0000492F2216566276CDCBCD0A0C079D9F059D0E03@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Yeah, I'll give it a third or forth.
My 63 with a 196 auto in both original aluminum and replacement cast iron versions cruised at 80 mph for hours on end. I was 17-18 and didn't know squat about it, but it was an automatic car and as long as you didn't try to punch it down into "passing" gear it just cruised happily along. At 80mph passing gear just made a whole lot of engine noise with no speed increase!
As for revving and dumping the clutch, well my 64 American had a 196 twinstick. In stock form the clutch wouldn't hold! It acted like a drag racing slipper clutch. Put both left and right feet on the floor and slip the left one off the clutch! The car would lift it's noise and move forward, never spun a tire! I seriously doubt, even with the power pack two barrel it would sport enough torque to do much tire turning.
Ah those were the days, no sense in saying I wish I'd kept those cars as hey, they were rusty in 78-79!
--
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
" I was different before people dared to be different"
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> <snip>
> > (Back to the original quoted message...) since torque would not be increased,
> > only revs, you could to this in an older car in front of a T96, I bet, unless
> > you revved to do hole shots. A 199 is not exactly torquey.
> </snip>
>
> I can attest to that. My 67 American has a 199 and an automatic which
> makes it a slug around town. Once it's up near highway speed, it's
> actually okay. The 232 in my 68 American (which was not rebuilt to stock
> specs) with a 3 speed manual is a totally different beast. It's really
> torquey. However, I don't think you can rev the wee out of either of
> them when not in neutral. The 68 tops out at 85 mph and if memory serves
> (which means I'm probably wrong), that's not much over 4000 RPM. Both
> cars are great highway cruisers. They are both happy around 70 MPH and
> when I took the 68 to Kenosha in 2004, I'm not sure I did much slower
> than that until I got to Chicago.
>
> Matt
>
> --
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> Cincinnati, OH
> http://www.mattsoldcars.com
> 1967 Rambler American wagon
> 1968 Rambler American sedan
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