Re: [Amc-list] 70 Donohues

[Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>]

Tom, you won't get any flames from me. You're the expert on the 
Donohues, not me. The 1501 was a typo, nothing more. I don't know the 
build dates off-hand, but have them in my notes if necessary. That's why 
I didn't post any dates. Same with the build sheet code. Don't know it 
from memory, can find it if necessary. I stated the two things I'd look 
for first to determine if the car could be a Donohue or not. 
"Authenticate" wasn't a good word to use in this case. I've seen a 304 
column shift car with the spoiler and stickers, and saw the authentic 
looking window sticker that was with it. It could have been faked, but 
looked to be authentic. The car wasn't in the hands of the original 
owner, but was supposedly purchased that way. I've also seen one car 
that was ordered with the spoiler/decal but was built 5-6 days after the 
last of the 2501 were supposedly built. That one IS in the hands of the 
original owner (in Dover, DE) and he has the original sticker. He told 
me it was built just days after the last of the "official" Donohues came 
off the line, and he's content with that. I don't respond to EVERY post, 
and not "usually with misinformation". 90% of the information I post is 
accurate. I do occasionally make a mistake, just like everyone else -- 
including you. Some people may expect me to be correct all the time, but 
it just isn't humanly possible. I don't mind being corrected at all, 
especially when I know my personal knowledge on a subject is limited 
(such as with the Donohue), especially when the person correcting is 
more knowledgeable than I. This is a forum where mistakes and 
misinformation -- regardless of who posts it -- can be 
corrected/discussed. I do request that you be a bit more polite in your 
corrections to anyone on this list. Not doing so keeps people from 
posting for fear of getting "flamed" who otherwise would post. I've had 
that stated to me by two different people in Kenosha this weekend -- 
that they "lurked" but didn't post because they didn't want to be jumped 
on if they were wrong. I understand you feel that I, being a list 
moderator and having a generally respected knowledge of AMC, should know 
better than to post some things, and/or should word posts more 
carefully. Posts are general conversations, not carefully researched 
magazine articles. I do make a reasonable effort to post correctly, most 
of the time referring to various notes, but not always. Some people do 
expect my answers to be correct, but I don't specialize in just a few 
vehicles over a rather narrow time frame like you do. That's one reason 
I appreciate the fact that you posted a correction to my post. Some 
subjects, especially somewhat controversial ones, will ALWAYS keep 
coming up. That's just the way things are. Thanks again! --------------- 
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:15:33 +0000 From: tbenvie@xxxxxxxxxxx Now that 
I do not have any AMC cars I have not checked the forums lately. Did 
some catching up today, and found some things just are not going to 
change. Frank, why must you always respond to every post, and usually 
with misinformation? You did it again with the Donohue, something that 
has been discussed ad nauseam with corrections and documented proof, but 
you still want to put forth undocumented rumors and stories. You stated 
only two things verifying a Donohue is the build date on the door-which 
only verifies when it was built and can disqualify a car, but not 
authenticate it (and just when are these dates?) Or the build 
sheet-where on the build sheet? I spent years researching all the codes, 
and I came up with the POSSIBLE code, but it is not verified at all. But 
what about dealer documentation, or the sticker price, etc? (And not 
that it matters, but I have reproduced build sheets, door decals, 
sticker prices, dealer paperwork etc.) There are a number of ways one 
can look at the car and determine if it is a possible real one or 
not-this has been covered over and over. There are exactly ZERO 
documented Donohues that do not meet the correct criteria-just some 
people pushing things like 304 engines in a Donohue, or the rare four 
bolt main ONLY found in a Donohue. Geez, I thought the days of these 
stories were over. Have you SEEN these cars and documentation, or just 
heard about them from the same storytellers? Donohues are worth more 
than a regular Javelin, just like a T/A Javelin is worth more than a 
regular Javelin. The cars had 360 or 390 engines, not 401s. And, they 
made 2501 cars, not 1501. Yes, you can tell when a car is built by the 
VIN and by door tag info. Flame away-I can't believe the same handful of 
people continually put forth incorrect AMC info for years, and even when 
shown first hand documentation, continue to ignore the facts and repeat 
the stories.

Thomas M. Benvie

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