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- From: ksiroonian@xxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:55:19 -0400
any one have a photo or part number on these bushings, I am going thru parts picked up from a dealer going back to the 50's and? lot of stuff I am not familair with. wading thru books but its time consuming, i dont want to pitchout stuff that might be improtant just because the part number is missing, or illegible which seems to be common, or that tags off, and dont want to put them in the trash bin if I dont have to.?I came across pacer rack bushings and? 60's steering wheel horn grip ring rubber almsot by accident. there seems to be many bushings that look like from an a-arm or front suspention whatever. also tie rods or idler arms or those type of front end parts with no number tag. did any of the cast in numbers mean anything on these, shoudl they have them?well all for now, cya in denver. I am already here, it was 101 today, but a dry heat. LOL. liek that matters. the radison looks nice.
regards, ken.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Classic Bushings (Keith Howard)
2. Brake System Spread Sheet. (John Elle)
3. LA to Denver AMO.. (M@rk)
4. Cherokee AX-15 rebuilds (Brien Tourville)
5. complete rear axle assembly (South Florida) (mike watts)
6. Staggered Shocks (theamcguy)
7. Re: Air shocks on Jav/AMX---a fix I found years ago (ROSS BLAIR)
8. Re: Trunion Front End Parts. (Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx)
9. Re: Trunion Front End Parts. (Tom Jennings)
10. Re: Staggered Shocks on rear axle. (Tom Jennings)
11. Re: front seat supports (Tom Jennings)
12. Re: LA to Denver AMO.. (Tom Jennings)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:13:56 -0500
From: "Keith Howard" <belridge@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Classic Bushings
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I have a 65 Classic and purchased the 11/16" bushings from Galvins Rambler Parts
2 weeks ago.
Keith Howard
Dave, you should not have asked, now we're really gonna give you a
hard time!
1965 is WORSE than 1962--64. Not only can't you use a modern strut
bushing, there are TWO DIFFERENT strut rod diameters, 5/8" and 11/16"
for 1965! The less-than-totally-bad-news is the rest of them are 11/16",
so if you have the small 5/8" rod you can simply shim it out with sheet
stock.
But you can't buy one. Join the club.
" does anyone know if 67-69 control arm bushings will
> " work in a 62 or 65 classic? i have found some poly
> " control arm bushings on jegs. maybe they fit?
> "
> " my luck im putting money on a NNOO!!!!
>
> i'd bet a good chance yes for the '65; afaik front ends were very much
> the same '63-9. '62 is off my radar. ;^\
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:43:21 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Amc-list] Brake System Spread Sheet.
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Tom,
In my files is some parts information from NAPA that I managed to
collect through dumb luck when they switched over from books no one read
to computer storage know one can access. One of which is Brake System
Parts, Passenger cars/light and medium duty trucks. Coverage for older
model vehicles thru 1971. The AMC section has part numbers and in some
cases specifications going back as far as 1960. The Nash section goes
back into the 30's but there was not much listed, nothing that I saw in
terms of brake drums for example.
This document is not a yearly publication and I have 4 of them with this
being the oldest, the newer ones apparently compile newer information as
it became available and dropped info that was no longer being carried.
There is about 3 other brake parts books in this particular stash. Whats
the point?
Is there anyway this information can be used to verify or add to your
brake info spread sheet?
I have not looked at it yet to see. The cross referencing could be time
consuming and boring, but if you have an idea it could be valuable,
lemme know and maybe more use could become of this information.
Get back to me please,
John.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:47:19 -0700
From: "M@rk" <sixtynineamx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Amc-list] LA to Denver AMO..
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Just wondering who from the Los Angeles area is headed to Denver next
week for the 2007 AMO event. Chance of a small AMC convoy?
Mark
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:27:30 -0400
From: Brien Tourville <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Amc-list] Cherokee AX-15 rebuilds
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Mine has 170K - 4wd - 2dr. shifts great -
there are rebuild kits online - Google AX-15.
www.naxja.org is the place to ask around -
=Bt=
It's an AX15 trans. Usually quite sturdy.
Unless it is trashed I would recomend having it fixed.
Used ones will likely all be in the same condition as low mileage ones are not
exactly falling out of trees anymore.
You can source rebuilds from many vendors also, eBay and other places will all
have them available.
If he's willing to take a chance on a used one they are out there.
--
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
" I was different before people dared to be different"
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From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
> > i have a buddy who has a 93 cherokee sport 2 door 4x4.
> > his 3rd gear synchro is going out. it is a manual 5
> > speed trans. im not sure what one it would be. anyone
> > have any idea what it would be, and maybe have one to
> > offer that is in decent shape? thanks.
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:35:38 -0400
From: "mike watts" <390amx@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Amc-list] complete rear axle assembly (South Florida)
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I have a rear axle assembly dana 20 w/no drums , leaf springs included
from a 70 AMX it is not a twin grip I am located in lake worth florida
no shipping available if anyone is interested. 561-436-4755 make
offer
Mike
70 AMX BBG
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:34:48 -0500
From: theamcguy <theamcguy@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [Amc-list] Staggered Shocks
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Staggered rear shocks help cure axle hop on acceleration. With the shocks both
on one side of the axle under hard hard acceleration the spring will tend to
tend up and when it unwinds you get axle hop. Staggering the shocks on both
sides of the axle tends to minimize the effect.
Bill Strobel
Fayetteville, NC
1967 Rebel SST
1969 SC/Rambler
1972 Hornet Sportabout
1976 Matador Brougham
AMCRC. AMCWC, AMO, NAMDRA
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:15:18 +0500
From: "ROSS BLAIR" <bigbad69@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Air shocks on Jav/AMX---a fix I found years
ago
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snip
Here's my take on the staggered rear shock mounting on the 70 Javelin/AMX cars.
In 69 the shocks are not staggered (both are behind the axle). In 70 AMC
staggered the shocks (one in front of axle one behind) to enhance the cornering
ability of thecar. Reason? Trans Am homologation regulations for racing??? Yeah
I know that's not why, but it's a good story, ain't it? This here Duane guy has
a great bunch of questions, I've often pondered why the shocks are staggered on
the back of a 70 Jav or AMX. Anyone know why??
Armand
Snip
Shocks are staggered on the 69's. The 68's are not staggered. I think it's more
to control axel windup than for cornering, but I could be wrong.
Ross Blair
69 BBO Javelin 390
Ottawa, Ont.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:03:39 +0000
From: Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Trunion Front End Parts.
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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If there is no answer I can decypher the fit when I get the parts car departed
or apartnessed, whatever!
I have a set of the Prothanes, I bought a full ft set up for the American and my
rubber ones are still holding up. So I can do a trial fit when it comes apart.
--
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5
" I was different before people dared to be different"
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From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
> Tom,
> U'r pretty much on top of things along with Frank when it comes to the
> Trunion
> applications, but I have a Prothane listing for Polyurethane parts that
> is advertised
> as fitting 64 +
> Looking at notes that I have cribbed from your postings, it looks to me
> as if they
> are wrong, but here they are anyway for discussion purposes.
> SNIP
> OK Dave, you should not have asked, now we're really gonna give you a
> > > hard time!
> > >
> > > 1965 is WORSE than 1962--64. Not only can't you use a modern strut
> > > bushing, there are TWO DIFFERENT strut rod diameters, 5/8" and
> 11/16"
> > > for 1965! The less-than-totally-bad-news is the rest of them are
> 11/16",
> > > so if you have the small 5/8" rod you can simply shim it out with
> sheet
> > > stock.
> SNIP
>
> 64-69 C-arm bushing kit w/o shells 1-206
> 64-83 front strut rod bushing kit (2pc design) 6-1205
> John.
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:47:41 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Trunion Front End Parts.
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On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 16:45 -0700, John Elle wrote:
> but I have a Prothane listing for Polyurethane parts that
> is advertised
> as fitting 64 +
> Looking at notes that I have cribbed from your postings, it looks to me
> as if they
> are wrong, but here they are anyway for discussion purposes.
Frank reminded me that 64-up trunnions are the ones everyone's learned
to hate...
There are three+variant different trunnion systems used by AMC 62-up (I
dont know nuthin about 61-earlier).
* Big car trunnions (upper, ball joint lower). Weird, but very reliable
and last forever. These are the ones I wrote up on my web page. They
lasted up til I don't know what model year. A fine system. Grease it
annually. Mine are 350K+ miles old. Lower ball joint replaced probably
two or three times.
* Little car trunnions, early. This is the one I'm battling now. 1963 is
the last year for it. Lower trunnion OK if it's lubed at all; upper
trunnion is a piece of crap no matter how you look at it. I'll state
flatly that it's a bad design, even considering car life < 10 years.
Replacement parts are disappearing, and currently $360 EACH from
Galvin's, rebuilt.
** There's a TYPE 2 variant little car, early, for the through-63
lower trunnion that replaces the vertical threaded part with a plain
bearing and castle nut. Probably slightly more desirable than the older
one, but even annual grease makes the original fine. Apparently if you
NEVER lube the bottom trunnion, the trunnion threads grind away and the
joint pops apart! Oops!
* Then there's the hated 64-up little car trunnion. The lower end is
fine, single arm plus ball joint, but the upper joint is a simplified,
cheapified rubber-bushed toy joint that must get TREMENDOUSLY RATTLEY
when the rubber wears out. There's a poly replacement that may make it
just fine, but since if you have one it already pisses you off, you
wanna break up with it and never get a phone call from it again.
Since I had all my pile of parts hot-tanked and media blasted they will
be very photogenic, and I'll take a lot of photos of the assembly
process. I will try to drill out the busted trunnion bolt but I'm
leaning towards putting the big car upper trunnion in there. I hate
really bad designs hanging over my head for future maintenance problems.
> SNIP
> OK Dave, you should not have asked, now we're really gonna give you a
> > > hard time!
> > >
> > > 1965 is WORSE than 1962--64. Not only can't you use a modern strut
> > > bushing, there are TWO DIFFERENT strut rod diameters, 5/8" and
> 11/16"
> > > for 1965! The less-than-totally-bad-news is the rest of them are
> 11/16",
> > > so if you have the small 5/8" rod you can simply shim it out with
> sheet
> > > stock.
> SNIP
>
> 64-69 C-arm bushing kit w/o shells 1-206
> 64-83 front strut rod bushing kit (2pc design) 6-1205
> John.
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:49:34 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] Staggered Shocks on rear axle.
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 18:15 -0700, John Elle wrote:
> Snip
> I've often pondered why the
> shocks are staggered on the back of a 70 Jav or AMX.
> Anyone know why??
> Armand
> Snip
> To counter the torque reaction under acceleration to
> prevent axle tramp when the tires are spinning. Keeps
> traction constant rather than allowing tire bounce.
> There is a twisting action that tries to lift one tire
> and place pressure down on the other tire. Bounce and
> rebound valving of the shock controls that.
> John.
And I've read somewhere that AMC pioneered this technique; is this true?
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:52:25 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] front seat supports
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1183049545.5951.23.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Oh yeah you want a set, they make the fold-down seats usable. They're a
major feetch in my Classic wagon when we go camping.
The little American (63) goes one better -- there's little fold-down
props on the front seat cushions to take the slope out so the thing is
really flat!
I slept in my 62 Ambassador 400 four-door on my very first cross country
trip in 1974. Not quite long enough for me if I recall, as I imagine the
American won't be, but hey.
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 21:29 -0400, Matt Haas wrote:
> John,
>
> I think I've seen them turn up on eBay from time to time but I don't
> recall what they were for. Besides eBay, I'd also try the clubs want ads
> and if you can manage it, the show in Kenosha at the end of July.
>
> Matt
>
> JohnBherna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > I recently purchased a owners manual from EBAY for a 1967 rebel wagon. I
> > read through the manual and found at the end that it showed a support that
is
> > inserted under the rear seat to support the seat back when the seat is fully
> > lowered to make a bed.
> >
> > I have a 1967 Rebel wagon that I have had since 1973. Earlier, when I was
> > cleaning out the cargo compartment I found two of the supports. I did not
know
> > what they were for so I tossed them. Now that I have read the manual I
> > realized that I wish I did not discard them.
> >
> > Does anyone know where I can get supports or dimensions so that I can make
> > some?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************************************
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:02:22 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Amc-list] LA to Denver AMO..
To: "AMC/Rambler owners, drivers and fans." <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Alas, I'm not going. I wish I was! No time!
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 20:47 -0700, M@rk wrote:
> Just wondering who from the Los Angeles area is headed to Denver next
> week for the 2007 AMO event. Chance of a small AMC convoy?
>
> Mark
>
>
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