Re: [Amc-list] Re; ELECTRO-RAMBLER =revisited=

[Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx]

The capacitater [SP?] run buses they are/were trying in Russia and some eastern block countries sound like they may be the cats meow for capturing energy quickly. The caps recharge fully in as little as 12 minutes! They discharge fast too, but with a 12 minute recharge they can work around the quick discharge. 
   With the right system the bus could literally pull into a stop open doors for 15 minutes, close doors and pull out fully charged to run to it's next stop! Now, If you could capture wasted brake energy and dump it into the caps, you could theoretically cut stop times depending on the terrain of the routes and direction of travel. 15 miute stops going up, None going down, etc;
  Not for the little people to build though!
  Interesting, yes

--
Mark Price
Morgantown, WV
1969 AMC Rambler, 4.0L, EFI, T-5

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> On Tue, 1 May 2007, Wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> 
> > I did some heavy reading  of the first Saturn site you
> > posted and after thinking it over am sad to say, "I don't see
> > the point".
> 
> 
> Physics, physics, physics. No free lunch here. Toyota etc aren't
> stupid, but they are conservative. The hybrid can be made,
> supported as a product, and not kill them when smallish design
> things go wrong.
> 
> The problem is largely that short-term economics isn't
> the way to look at transportation systems, the costs are
> not-in-the-vehicle, eg.  pollution, waste, heat, accidents,
> insurance, quality of life, traffic, time wasted, junkyards,
> wonr tires, etc. But unfortunately you and I can't hardly
> influence those things so we get only to stick batteries in
> things like cars.
> 
> The real solution is none-of-the-above, eg. urban transport
> systems, and save the car for weekends and fun and hauling.
> 
> But for making something you could drive, the locomotive model
> sounds right to me: a battery packed sized only to provide
> capacity for some number of 0 - 60 accellerations, and a small
> but sizeable super-efficient dinosaur fueled constant-output
> generator to charge it. Flat and level 65mph the genset would
> provide cruise energy+recharge. When you park it would charge up;
> if you happened to be near an outlet you'd plug it in and the
> genset would shut off. I bet it would take 1/5th the batteries
> of a full-electric to pull that off.
> 
> And THAT would be buildable.
> 
> I could find my spreadsheet, but a 60mph car slowed to 0mph dumps
> 2 MEGAJOULES of energy in that much time. It's a LOT of energy
> just pissed literally into the wind as heat. That's just stupid.
> Multiply by every car on the road and it's embarrassing and
> criminal, but there's no electrical-generation/storage system on
> the planet that can input that much energy in such a short time.
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