I'm with you guys, too. Seemed like business managers became really cutthroat by the 1980's in my personal experience. Seemed like there was no responsibility to the general public interest that seemed customary earlier. Strictly no conscience about any adverse affects they were causing by their actions. And they felt they were not breaking any laws unless they were actually caught at it and nailed for it. I'm apalled yet today by some of the business practices that come to light. I've been burned by printer people and their software upgrades HP and Epson programs to wear out their machines and reject ink cartridges to force upgrades and expensive ink cartridges. Forcing you to either pay up or find work-a-rounds. About the worst is our freight transportation carier industry and their pricing policies that don't seem to reflect anything to do with their costs and overhead, etc. They just set their rates at exorbitant levels and then give special discounts or rates to chosen customers... No fair play... Then there is our medical and drug pricing policies. A lot of it backed up by legislation... If you want something you gotta buy a politician, even if it is a legitimate need. Just another rant... ______________________________________________________________ Ralph Ausmann - Hillsboro, OR - > <ralph.ausmann@xxxxxxxxx> http://mysite.verizon.net/res79g4m/ ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandwich Maker" <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >" From: Don Johnson <donjohnson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > " > " Superimpose that wage line with the wage line of management and you > begin to see where I believe the problem is. > " Hold on while I get up on my soapbox. > > let me join you... > > " I believe there is no morality in today's boardrooms. I think they > believe they deserve the compensation packages that they get. When the > workers see what is happening with the bosses pay package, whether the > company is doing well or not, they are more than reluctant to give up some > of their wages to support that. > " I read recently that some expert was saying that management compensation > should be in the 40 times the average worker wage, but right now it is > running near 400 times. > > i think also that none of the upper mgmt has any sort of commitment to > the companies they manage. they're trained to manage widgets - and > hey, it's all widgets, right? gm's, ge's, hp's, verizon's... > > " I was in the airline industry and when Continental Airlines was next to > dead a man named Bethune took over and promptly declared that he would not > take any compensation (except for $1 per year) until the airline made > money. The employees saw what he was willing to do and they got behind him > and turned the airline around. The workers need a leadership that is > willing to share the pain and not just the gain. > > the president of [iirc] bolivia did something like this too. what's > doubly significant is that there's a federal law that no civil servant > can earn more than el presidente - so, instant pay cuts for the > bloated ministers too, and a measurable tax cut for the citizens. > [actually i think much of the savings is being redirected into > infrastructure - public health, schools, etc] no surprise he's a > socialist, but he's putting his money where his mouth is. > > " Maybe when the guy on the line begins to feel like he's part of team > where everyone from the top down sinks or swims with the company, the > answers to some hard questions will be different. > hear, hear! > " Getting down off the soapbox. ________________________________________________________________________ > Andrew Hay _______________________________________________ Amc-list mailing list Amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list