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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 62 classic rear axle id (Todd Tomason)
2. 1966 Classic hump mount 4spd
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
3. Re: Jeep axles in AMC cars? (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
4. Pacer carb problems - ANY BBD w/idle problems!
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
5. Re: Rear end change 1966 Ambassador
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
6. Re: Jeep axles in AMC cars? (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
7. Re: E-stick clutch (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
8. Re: Rear end change 1966 Ambassador (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
9. For You Model Builders Here (Mr. AMC)
10. Re: Jeep axles in AMC cars? (Sandwich Maker)
11. Re: Jeep axles in AMC cars? (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
12. Re: Jeep axles in AMC cars? (Sandwich Maker)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:11:10 -0600
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 62 classic rear axle id
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Dave,
Did you ever get your rear axle sorted out? I was curious what it turned out
to really be.
Todd
On Saturday 25 November 2006 12:04, d stohler wrote:
> i am trying to get new bearings for my rear end in my 62 classic. there is
> a parts store in town that has some in stock and can get the rest. problem
> is, they say there are 2 different rearends for that car. none i have heard
> of. people on here say it is an amc model 15. the book at carquest says
> there is a spicer 53, and a spicer 27A. one has a 7.25" ring gear, and the
> other has a 9.something ring gear. i havent yet had a chance to measure my
> ring gear to see. but it has bearings and seals that seem to make it look
> like there are actually 4 different axles. i have the 196, and 3 speed
> manual. the tab on the diff cover says 9/34. in my tsm that shows a gear
> ratio so im pretty sure that means it is the 3.77 rear. but what the axle
> tells me, and what the book at carquest tells me is coming up different.
> they show one rearend from like 58-62, and the other is like 61-63 or
> somethin i think. anyway, some help would be great. i need to pull the axle
> shafts out to have the bearings pressed off, but would be great if i knew
> what i have before hand so i can have the parts ordered if needed so i can
> get it all done in one afternoon. they have a machineshop in the back of
> the carquest so they can do it all for me real quick and easy there.
>
> hope everyone is havin a great thanksgiving weekend.
>
> dave stohler
>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:13:04 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1966 Classic hump mount 4spd
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Dan sent me a msg in my personal e-mail, so I scanned in the pages
showing the break-down of the 66 four speed shifter (floor mount), 66
auto floor shifter, 65 Twin-Stick, and 67 trans mount four speed
shifter. If anyone else needs those scans (from the TSMs, in PDF format)
send me an E-MAIL and I'll pass them along.
I had started to write a steering column article for the next AIM (or
rather first AMC!), but maybe I'll write something on these shifters
instead...
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Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 11:19 PM
From: Dan & Carey Smith <dan7@xxxxxxxxxx>
Hey guys,
Thanks for your input on my 66 Classic
I know there aren't that many Classic 4 speeds around and thats one
reason I
want to keep it original
The shifter isn't all gone
It has everything from the floor mount down
The upper section has some parts
I just don't know what is missing since I haven't seen a breakdown of it
yet
Still have hope I will find one somewhere
Thanks, Dan Smith
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:58:15 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Jeep axles in AMC cars?
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <f1boats@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Here's a good page outlining what axles Jeeps used. The links help a
lot! http://www.jeeptech.com/axle/
It does state that "wheel to wheel" (mounting surfaces on drums?) width
of the narrow track Wagoneer (SJ) D44 axle is 58-59". The wide track
axle is 61-62", which would make it 2-3" narrower than a 63-66
Classic/Ambo axle (tread width on those is about 63"), and that should
make it a good fit for an American. CJ AMC 20s are 50.5" narrow, 54.5"
wide track. No width for the SJ, but they should be the same as the 44.
The XJ/MJ axle is 60" or 60 3/4" wheel to wheel, and it's the same width
as AMC Eagle rear axles. It's known to be 2-3" wider than a
Hornet/et.al. axle, which is about the same width as the American.
Now if you wanted to tub the car a little they would be great! You would
be better off with a FSJ rear end, that would be an AMC 20 w/one piece
axles, but you'd need to have the hubs redrilled for 5x4.5" bolt pattern
(it's 5x5.5" stock; w/HD 3/4 ton and 1 ton models using 8x6.5"). The
"wide track" FSJ axles (all w/factory fender flares) might be wide
enough for the American. They aren't real wide either. Even the FSJ axle
might require mini tubs though. The FSJ axles have been swapped into
CJs, so they aren't much wider (if any for the "narrow track").
The big Ford Bronco seems to have 62" wide 9" axles! Check though. If
it's a 62" axle that might be a good source for Ford 9". I'd check the
pickups too -- the big Bronc was F-150 based, I'm pretty sure of that.
The small Bronco uses 58" wide 9" (for V-8 models). Check the "axle
swap" link from the page I listed above. There are lots of good tech
articles for AMC axles and engines on this site, by the way!
--------------
Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 08:06 PM
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Speakin of old CJ's anyone kn ow what flavor axles came in what I would
estimate to be late 60's early 70's narrowtrack CJ's? I know of a yard
that had
a few. I think at the time I loooked I thought they had Dana 44's in
them, but
it's beena while and now I'm not sure. Any idea of width and would they
be
worth anything? Ratios used?
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:01:10 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Pacer carb problems - ANY BBD w/idle problems!
To: <KSiroonian@xxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Found this on the Jeep Tech site. Should prove interesting to anyone
running a BBD carb with idle problems!
http://www.jeeptech.com/engine/carter.html
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:44:46 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rear end change 1966 Ambassador
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: f1boats@xxxxxxxxxxx, farna@xxxxxxx
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Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 08:48 PM
From: Anthony <f1boats@xxxxxxxxxxx>
I want to change the rear end to Ford 9 inch or something A.M.C. that
can
handle 650 HP. Has anybody made this conversion in 1966 Ambassador DPL?
-------------------
Anthony is also installing a newer model engine and trans, so that makes
things different! The entire rear suspension needs to be changed in
63-66 torque tube cars (also 56-57). Read the whole post here before
making any decisions/comments! There are other considerations I mention
on down the page.
The easiest way, and in my opinion the best way for high hp, is to build
a NASCAR style "truck arm" suspension. "Hot Rods to Hell" builds kits
for common cars, naturally no AMCs. Their G-body kit will adapt well
though. Use the spring mounts off the 63-66 axle, just drill and tap the
top of the "new" axle tubes for the 3/8" fine thread bolt and bolt them
on. Their Camaro kit shows the best pic of components, the Shoebox
(55-57 Chevy) shows the best pic of a kit installed in a frame. I
recommend the G-body kit mainly because the springs are mounted on the
axle like the Rambler. You'll have to modify the crossmember to fit
anyway. Since you already have a panhard rod that can be adapted (unbolt
the mount from the AMC rear end), you might just want to buy arms and a
crossmember. Kits run $1995 each, the arms are $220 each. The kits have
springs and a lot of other components you might not be able to use. I'd
go with the arms and a tubular crossmember. They will likely want to
know the wheelbase and width between the frame rails. What I'd do is
measure to where the crossmember bolts on, then weld ends to bolt to the
same mounts and weld a trans mount on the arm crossmember. You will want
to talk to them about that first, and make sure the mount on the trans
you're using will fit near the same place as the stock mount. You need
to get rid of the rubber mounted stock trans crossmember anyway, or at
least make solid mounts to replace the rubber ones.
http://www.hotrodstohell.net/truckarm/truckarm_index.htm
(use the catalog link to see individual parts, and call!!)
There are several choices for rear ends, you just need one that matches
your wheel to wheel width within about an inch. I can tell you now that
Jeep XJ axles are to wide for that body -- I ran one but had to use
3-3/4" offset 7" wheels w/205 width tires. There was BARELY enough
clearance, and if the suspension moved a lot the left tire would scrub
the edge of the fender (even after I rolled it up). It only did this
with a load in the back though (three people going to a show, with
weekend luggage and a few items for the show). You can get by with a
wider axle if you get deeper wheels. The Jaguar axle I'm using now is a
few inches wider than the stock 63-66 axle. I'm using 5.5" offset 7"
wheels, and there is plenty clearance. I can run a 215 tire, but that's
about it. There might be room for a 225 if I had a little more backset,
but 5.5" is the most you can get on a 7" wheel. I had to use a Weld Drag
Lite wheel to get that backset -- it's available in more backsets than
any other wheel, almost any in 1/4" increments (IIRC).
Check the post on Jeep Axles for more info on those, there are some good
candidates if you don't mind redrilling hubs for the bolt pattern you
want. Ford 9", GM 12 bolt, and Chrysler 8.25" axles should all be good
for what you want to do. The Dana 44 should be also. It's said to be
good for 500 hp, but you're using a staged nitrous system to get 650 hp.
It should last since you're not putting 650 hp on it right from the
start. Ford Explorer 8.8" axle is a good choice also -- it's almost as
strong as the 9". A Dana 60 from a wide track Jeep would be the ultimate
-- those things are nearly indestructible!
You will likely have to back-half the car to get enough rubber under
there to work with 650 hp. Otherwise you're limited to 8" wide slicks.
If you do back-half it, run the rails from the factory front ones back.
That way you tie the front and rear together ("subframe" connectors) at
the same time. The front is plenty strong, even the stock front
suspension (which is reasonably light), and even if you ran a "foreign"
big block. The old AMC V-8 is about the same size and weight as a Ford
FE or Chevy 396. The only thing I'd do in front is run a brace across
the engine at the spring towers (or just in front of them). Any of the
universal back-half kits will work. If you're going that route, you
might want to get a kit set up for a four link. That would be a bit
easier to adjust than the "truck-arm" suspension, though I still like
the simplicity and ruggedness of the truck-arm type.
Of course with that kind of power I think any drag strip will require at
least a four point roll bar. Check track rules. I bet you'll run faster
than 9.0 seconds though (1/8 mile, 14 seconds in 1/4). The quick
reference I just glanced at
(http://www.musiccityraceway.com/rules,_regs_&_safety.htm) indicates no
roll bar needed if slower than 8.59/13.99 seconds. CHECK YOUR TRACK
THOUGH, and/or an official NHRA rule book.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:45:49 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Jeep axles in AMC cars?
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I would not trust anything on that page. It was never finished and has not been updated in years. Wheelers don't even bother with it.
If you're looking for medium-duty 5x4.5 rear axles in the half-ton truck range of width, I'd probably go looking for D44 or Chryco 9.25's (don't know specific years) from under Dodge pickups.
To answer the question about the late 60's/early 70's CJ's, 30-spline D44's - a good axle and desireable among the early CJ crowd, but offset if its a Dana 18 equipped rig. Zook owners whose rigs are not yet that large will usually seek out the offset ones. After that they start chasing Quadratrac SJ axles.
-Spro
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Here's a good page outlining what axles Jeeps used. The links help a
> lot! http://www.jeeptech.com/axle/
> It does state that "wheel to wheel" (mounting surfaces on drums?) width
> of the narrow track Wagoneer (SJ) D44 axle is 58-59". The wide track
> axle is 61-62", which would make it 2-3" narrower than a 63-66
> Classic/Ambo axle (tread width on those is about 63"), and that should
> make it a good fit for an American. CJ AMC 20s are 50.5" narrow, 54.5"
> wide track. No width for the SJ, but they should be the same as the 44.
> The XJ/MJ axle is 60" or 60 3/4" wheel to wheel, and it's the same width
> as AMC Eagle rear axles. It's known to be 2-3" wider than a
> Hornet/et.al. axle, which is about the same width as the American.
>
> Now if you wanted to tub the car a little they would be great! You would
> be better off with a FSJ rear end, that would be an AMC 20 w/one piece
> axles, but you'd need to have the hubs redrilled for 5x4.5" bolt pattern
> (it's 5x5.5" stock; w/HD 3/4 ton and 1 ton models using 8x6.5"). The
> "wide track" FSJ axles (all w/factory fender flares) might be wide
> enough for the American. They aren't real wide either. Even the FSJ axle
> might require mini tubs though. The FSJ axles have been swapped into
> CJs, so they aren't much wider (if any for the "narrow track").
>
> The big Ford Bronco seems to have 62" wide 9" axles! Check though. If
> it's a 62" axle that might be a good source for Ford 9". I'd check the
> pickups too -- the big Bronc was F-150 based, I'm pretty sure of that.
> The small Bronco uses 58" wide 9" (for V-8 models). Check the "axle
> swap" link from the page I listed above. There are lots of good tech
> articles for AMC axles and engines on this site, by the way!
>
> --------------
> Date: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 08:06 PM
> From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Speakin of old CJ's anyone kn ow what flavor axles came in what I would
> estimate to be late 60's early 70's narrowtrack CJ's? I know of a yard
> that had
> a few. I think at the time I loooked I thought they had Dana 44's in
> them, but
> it's beena while and now I'm not sure. Any idea of width and would they
> be
> worth anything? Ratios used?
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:49:56 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] E-stick clutch
To: "Mark Price" <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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The weak point in these is the rubber hose that supplies oil to the
hydraulic clutch arm servo. Since the servo is mounted to the trans I
really don't see why a metal line wasn't used. Would have been a little
harder to install (likely why it wasn't used!), but much safer.
One thing I didn't mention, the clutch arm (which applies pressure to
the pressure plate rather than releases when pushed!) is on the RIGHT
side of the car, same as the oil pump. That was done to make the hose
from the pump short.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Price [mailto:markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:16 PM
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] E-stick clutch
We had a mint condition 63 Classic four door in Uniontown, Pa back in
the 80's. One owner car that as the selling dealer we were still
replacing the lifetime warranty exhaust on for time to time! It had 43K
on it last time I saw it. I assume the woman has passed on, I don't know
what happened to the car.
I drove it a few times. Very dissconcerting [god I wish I could
spell!] to drive! Just hit the gas and go! Take your foot of the gas and
shift!. The biggest misstake they made was using the large automatic
brake pedal! Everyone that ever drove that car almost put themselves
thru the window at least once going for the clutch pedal! If they'd have
used the small brake pedal that would not be able to be done as easily!
My dad hated that car as he was the one that had to keep the E-stick
working. More that one time it blew it's load of oil everywhere and he
had to salvage it! He swore everytime that he wouldn't be able too, but
always did!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:18:30 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rear end change 1966 Ambassador
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I have two of these. Located in the Detroit metro area if anyone is interested. I have a lot of wheeling friends that fabricate - some even run their own machining businesses, so I'm sure I could even arrange to have either axle set up in the bolt pattern you want, the exact width you want, with control arm mounts, and even get a disc conversion done. Or just sell you the axle. I have one from a 74 J-20 and another from an 80's J20. Both are 30-spline with 3.73 gears. If you are interested, email me off-list and I can send you some links and pictures. I had a Dana 70 built for my CJ-8 with a disc conversion and it would look identical. Actually, I would even consider selling the D70. Its sitting on stands under the Jeep with zero miles since the rebuild.
Otherwise, I agree with the Ford 8.8 based on factory XJ axles being a little too wide for the application. They are becoming very popular with the wheeling crowd due to the thick tubes, good shaft diameter, and relatively high spline count, not to mention that later Exploders are already 5x4.5 with discs.
-Spro
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From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> A Dana 60 from a wide track Jeep would be the ultimate
> -- those things are nearly indestructible!
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:02:09 -0500
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] For You Model Builders Here
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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The site below has the limited edition re-issue AMT 82 Jeep Commando and
some previously re-issued Gremlin dirt trackers. I bought 2 of each.
"Doc"
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:40:28 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Jeep axles in AMC cars?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612141840.kBEIeSx20675@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
"
"
" If you're looking for medium-duty 5x4.5 rear axles in the half-ton
" truck range of width, I'd probably go looking for D44 or Chryco
" 9.25's (don't know specific years) from under Dodge pickups.
at a guess, mid/late '70s through '80s at least.
mopar also put 9.25s and even dana 60s under cars, from the late '60s
through the '70s afaik.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:54:16 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Jeep axles in AMC cars?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Yeah, one of those 5x4.5" Dana 60's on eBay provided some entertainment for us a while back on our bulletin board. It sold for something around $1400, I think.
-Spro
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From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> " From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
> "
> "
>
> mopar also put 9.25s and even dana 60s under cars, from the late '60s
> through the '70s afaik.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:05:02 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Jeep axles in AMC cars?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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" From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" It does state that "wheel to wheel" (mounting surfaces on drums?) width
" of the narrow track Wagoneer (SJ) D44 axle is 58-59". The wide track
" axle is 61-62", which would make it 2-3" narrower than a 63-66
" Classic/Ambo axle (tread width on those is about 63"), and that should
" make it a good fit for an American. CJ AMC 20s are 50.5" narrow, 54.5"
" wide track. No width for the SJ, but they should be the same as the 44.
" The XJ/MJ axle is 60" or 60 3/4" wheel to wheel, and it's the same width
" as AMC Eagle rear axles. It's known to be 2-3" wider than a
" Hornet/et.al. axle, which is about the same width as the American.
according to my old stack of car&driver annual new car issues, rear
track on the '65-6 classic and ambo is 57.5". rear track on the
american is 55.5" and the hornet et al axle is the same as the early
amx and javelin, 1.5" wider than the american.
the only axles i've found so far that match the american are the
dart/valiant, of which the most desirable are the '73-6 8.25" from
disk brake cars [already 5x4.5"] and the circa-'70 +/- dart/barracuda
383 8 3/4", which is 5x4" and would have to be redrilled. all these
mopars use 1/2-20 wheel studs, but -lh- thd on one side. amc gave
that up in the '50s.
i know this isn't the same as flange-to-flange width, but backspacing
of 3 3/4" on a 6" rim doesn't add up to much offset, and in those days
most had even narrower rims with less backspacing.
backspacing on eagle/cherokee/wrangler rims is 5.25", and that does
add up - 3" more than 'normal' rwd rims, total. that's how they got
that almost 61" axle under the hornet body.
" Now if you wanted to tub the car a little they would be great! You would
" be better off with a FSJ rear end, that would be an AMC 20 w/one piece
" axles, but you'd need to have the hubs redrilled for 5x4.5" bolt pattern
" (it's 5x5.5" stock; w/HD 3/4 ton and 1 ton models using 8x6.5"). The
i'm fairly sure those hd rears were dana 60s.
btw cj amc20s are also 5x5.5" but iirc two-piece axles just like cars,
so presumably you could just slap 5x4.5" car hubs on.
" The big Ford Bronco seems to have 62" wide 9" axles! Check though. If
" it's a 62" axle that might be a good source for Ford 9". I'd check the
" pickups too -- the big Bronc was F-150 based, I'm pretty sure of that.
yes it was, just as the original chevy blazer and dodge ramcharger
were.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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