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Today's Topics:
1. carb rebuidl help (Ken Siroonian)
2. gremlin sundowner sighting- So Cal. (Ken Siroonian)
3. 1976 Pacer (Rob de Boer)
4. Re: Flexplate Question (Todd Tomason)
5. Re: stuff gets old! (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
6. Radar Love (Brien Tourville)
7. Re: FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232 six
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
8. Re: carb rebuidl help (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
9. Pit Woofie (Brien Tourville)
10. 77/78 Gremlin or Pacer Hatch Lock Needed
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
11. Re: 1976 Pacer (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
12. Re: 77/78 Gremlin or Pacer Hatch Lock Needed (Mark Price)
13. stuff gets old. (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:00:43 -0500
From: Ken Siroonian <KSiroonian@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] carb rebuidl help
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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wondering if anyone has a tip on rebuidling a 1 BBL YF CARB FOR A 76
PACER. I rebuilt it about 6 months ago due to engine flooding,
overloading with fuel, black soot out of the exhaust, engine oil was
getting black fast and oil level higher due to the fuel. I rebuilt it
with a new float the black fiber float- just in case. the old one I
tested was fine anyway. now it is doing the same thing, albeit it has
not been driven more than a few hundred miles in all that time. she
uses it rarely, and the choke is coming off ok, but it just won't run
right with all that fuel and the belches of black soot/smoke. any ideas
what I may or may not be doing right. are the adjustments that
critical, I am following the amc spec book as well as the carb rebuild
sheet, and the float level does not seem high or out of whack. I have
not pulled the carb off the car yet, just the top. is there an
adjustment I can make on the car and try again before i rebuild it. the
needle and seat looked ok, though I have only done these a few times. i
adjusted the idle screw ok as well. does that affect more than just the
park idle. any ideas will be apreciated. regards.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:06:07 -0500
From: Ken Siroonian <KSiroonian@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] gremlin sundowner sighting- So Cal.
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I was on a business trip to so cal/laguna beach last week, and on a
free day took the boat trip to Catlalina island with a colleague. took
a tour around the island and then did some walking, only to do a double
take and see a 2 tone gold/tan 1977 Gremlin "sundowner" parked on a
side street. It had the sundowner decal on the C pillar.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:19:20 +0100
From: "Rob de Boer" <robbie.deboer@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1976 Pacer
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Hi,
I live in the Netherlands, Europe and I have just bought a 1976 AMC Pacer
which actually is in good shape after sitting in a Swiss garage for over 20
years. It has only run about 16000 miles. Cloth interior and all the plastic
are as good as new. However, there are a couple of things I need/want to do
on the car. Like to get some wider rims for example, and also new shocks.
Also like to replace ball joints at the front, left and right.
Furthermore, the interior has a Pioneer 8-track, which I'd like to replace
with an AMC radio.
Later on I want to get some new (white wall?) tyres and I will need regular
parts like oilfilter, airfilter, sparkplugs and brake parts.
Can someone provide me with names and/or addresses of companies that sell
parts like these?
Kind regards,
Rob
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:31:02 -0600
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Flexplate Question
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The 304 is just temporary while we rebuild the 360. We picked up the 304
pretty cheap. At least that will make the car driveable until the 360 is
ready.
Todd
On Monday 11 December 2006 11:09, Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM wrote:
> The 304 flexplate should bolt to the 727 converter (assuming it's a 72
> or later 304). If you have a good 998 that will be the better choice,
> unless you plan on converting back to 360 power. The 727 takes a lot
> more power to turn and might feel a little sluggish behind a 304.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:27:04 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] stuff gets old!
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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" So why is it we drive these old things?! "
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The answer is "that's why some of us update these old things"!!
A $30 car radio from Walmart either suspended under the dash or a DIN
opening cut into yours (it will fit without factory air, the AC duct
gets in the way of a modern radio though) solves all listening problems!
I prefer under dash to cutting a dash up, unless you can score a spare
from a parts car. I gutted my old radio (thought the engine computer
would fit between the radio face and AC duct, but it was to wide) and
made it look like it's still there. It was easy with the old Moto radio.
Even some of the $30-$40 Walmart radios now have an input for an MP3
player!! I like your car MP3 player, but after looking around I can get
a 20GB GPS with a media player built in for around $400 (if I wanted to
spend that much), or just a 4GB or larger MP3/Media player for
$100-$200. Not quite as built in, but much more compact and easy to
"install". I'm thinking about it...
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:29:22 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Radar Love
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Never would have found it if I was testing in Arizona. There,
I listen to KTNN (Navajo Nation News) which is around
500-something. In LA listening 1050 causes the goo to soften.
So why is it we drive these old things?!
<>
it's like taking your Best Girl out and hearing nothing
but good things going on -
"goo"
.......... who thought that word up anyway ?
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
"The Heretic"
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:33:03 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FWD: wanted: man flywheel for 1967 J3000 232
six
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The 196 used a small clutch... might be smaller than 9-1/8" though I
doubt it. The larger pattern in the 196 flywheel I had was around 10" to
10.5". It was a 62 flywheel, same year as the E-stick. E-Stick clutch
disks were bigger as they slipped a lot more. The E-stick worked in
reverse -- the lever put pressure on the clutch, it was spring loaded to
release. A hydraulic servo applied pressure, more pressure at speed.
This was done by using engine oil to supply hydraulic pressure -- bled
off the oil pump! The E-stick oil pump had 1/2" longer gears (and of
course body) for the extra volume demand too. A worn engine with an
E-stick isn't a good thing!! That's why you hardly ever see a surviving
E-stick car. They were either junked or converted to a standard clutch
(swapping bell and clutch linkage is all that was required).
Original message----------------------------
" " I need a manual flywheel for a 1967 J3000 232 six cylinder. It is
" " smaller than the newer 232s & 258s, it took a 10 inch clutch & I am
" " having a hard time finding one. So all I can say is HELP!!!!!
"
" as the engine came from amc, you'll find it in their cars as well as
" jeeps. they changed the flywheel size in '72; what you need is the
" '64-'71 199/232/258 one.
"
" iirc it has two patterns, for 9 1/8" and 10.5" clutches.
" --------------------
"
" I believe a 196 flywheel fits also. AFAIK there was no change in the
" bolt pattern,
interesting to know! though in amc fashion not too surprising.
" and my 196 flywheel was drilled for two different clutch
" sizes also -- one larger than the one it used. Not sure about sizes
" though.
the common ones i know of are the 10.5", for which there are also 10"
and '10.95"' clutches, the 11"/12" used mostly on light trucks, and
the 9 1/8".
i successfully used an early-'70s 10" hd on my '66 199 but i had to
search a bit for a real 10" pp; most places sub a 10.5" which fits the
larger late setup just fine but won't clear the early bellhousing.
also initial adjustment was close; before it broke in it took just
about full pedal between engaged and disengaged.
slant sixes had a hd 10" clutch that fit the 9 1/8" pattern.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:38:32 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] carb rebuidl help
To: <KSiroonian@xxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A313CFF7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Ken you mentioned only pulling the top off the carb. Well, it's time to
pull the whole carb. Sounds like the idle circuit is plugged or
otherwise fouled and needs to be cleaned. Pull and strip the carb, let
it soak overnight in cleaner, then blow all passages out. If you don't
have compressed air spray carb cleaner works great, just watch your eyes
-- that stuff burns!! There are a few blind holes or very small passages
that half of what you spray in comes back at you! That should solve your
problems. Check the fuel pump also. It could be out of whack and
overpressuring the needle/seat and leaking into the oil. But I think
you've got it pinned with the carb.
Note: I realize you may know some of what I mentioned above, I just
write most replies so even the newbies will know what to do.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 08:39:53 -0500
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Pit Woofie
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From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx> wrote:
"Same way I diagnose a lot of car problems, pull up a piece of
carpet, get comfortable, lay under the car and stare at it, yanking
at things to find the squeak :-)"
<>
jeeze Tom ....... sounds like exactly what I do with my Girlfriends
and it works every time ! ;_
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
"The Heretic"
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:49:46 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 77/78 Gremlin or Pacer Hatch Lock Needed
To: <PIPER_PA20@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Joe, contact Peter Stathes about the locks (ifoundit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
516-935-5298, www.amcrambler.com). He works on the door locks and may
have parts for the hatch locks.
If the hatch locks are so close to the tool box locks, you should be
able to pull the lock mechanism out and use a generic tool box type lock
cylinder from a hardware store. Key won't be the same, but appearance
from the outside should be and at least it will work. Alternately,
install a cable or generic electric release.
Hot rodders typically trim a choke cable to the right length and mount
that to shaved door or trunk latches and hide them underneath the car
somewhere for emergency access if the battery dies. I was just over at
the local shop and they were installing one in a trunk -- trimmed to
about 2' long and hidden behind the bumper on the right side. Just hook
the cable to the latch release arm. You could get a long cable (from a
local pick-n-pull, maybe?) and run it all the way up to beside the
driver's seat.
Incidently, I like what another rodder did for emergency access to his
shaved ride. Instead of a hidden cable he hid a couple auxiliary battery
posts! Harder to find, and a thief isn't likely to be looking for them,
even if he is suspiciously carrying a starter box or battery and jumper
cables around! Even then he'd still need the remote to open the doors.
The only problem is if the remote is lost on a trip...
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 07:56:15 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1976 Pacer
To: <robbie.deboer@xxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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<4CC05BF0CC3F114281434B00B733E2A313D02B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Rob, your best bet will be to get in touch with AMCCF (AMC Club
Finland), www.amccf.com. They should know what European outfits sell
spare parts. If you can't find something, by all means post what you
need here and someone will help you out! Most of the AMC specialty
dealers will ship overseas. You can also try www.rockauto.com. They have
many parts available for AMCs, and I think will ship overseas.
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 6:08:08 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 77/78 Gremlin or Pacer Hatch Lock Needed
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <13305414.1165932488598.JavaMail.root@web18>
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My backup for a dead battery is the fact that while my battery is trunk mounted there is still easy access to the starter solenoid to apply jumpers to get the doors or trunk open and since they are all on seperate circuits I should theoreteically be able to get in somewhere! When the car is parked long term, I always flip the levers up on the vent windows so I can stick an arm in and open the door if needed!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- "Swygert wrote:
> Joe, contact Peter Stathes about the locks (ifoundit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
> 516-935-5298, www.amcrambler.com). He works on the door locks and may
> have parts for the hatch locks.
>
> If the hatch locks are so close to the tool box locks, you should be
> able to pull the lock mechanism out and use a generic tool box type lock
> cylinder from a hardware store. Key won't be the same, but appearance
> from the outside should be and at least it will work. Alternately,
> install a cable or generic electric release.
>
> Hot rodders typically trim a choke cable to the right length and mount
> that to shaved door or trunk latches and hide them underneath the car
> somewhere for emergency access if the battery dies. I was just over at
> the local shop and they were installing one in a trunk -- trimmed to
> about 2' long and hidden behind the bumper on the right side. Just hook
> the cable to the latch release arm. You could get a long cable (from a
> local pick-n-pull, maybe?) and run it all the way up to beside the
> driver's seat.
>
> Incidently, I like what another rodder did for emergency access to his
> shaved ride. Instead of a hidden cable he hid a couple auxiliary battery
> posts! Harder to find, and a thief isn't likely to be looking for them,
> even if he is suspiciously carrying a starter box or battery and jumper
> cables around! Even then he'd still need the remote to open the doors.
> The only problem is if the remote is lost on a trip...
>
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:12:53 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] stuff gets old.
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List)
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Tom, upon occasion I will forward one of your posts to my brother, Frank called Lad. This morning I did so with your "stuff gets old" post. Here is a bit of his response to your question, "So why is it we drive these old things?!"
Snip ----
I can come up with many answers to Tom's rhetorical question, "So why is it we
drive these old things?!" Among the many, the one I like the most: We were
born in the wrong era. While things of today hold a curiosity and certain
amount of "entertainment" value, the things of yesterday truly fascinate and
captivate our thoughts. Have you ever said, "I was born a generation too late"?
I know I have. As much as things of aviation grip my being, the fast-moving
jets with their fly-by-wire technology and ability to accurately acquire and
destroy targets miles away simply don't thrill me. Give me the cockpit of a
Corsair or a Mustang or a you-name-it round engine or V-12 powered propeller
plane and I'm in my element. I've never flown one, nor have I ever sat in one;
but, I know it is my element. There has always been a feeling deep inside my
gut for old airplanes that spewed to the surface the first time my hands were placed on a control yoke. It was unmistakable and familiar and somewhat eerie all at once. As Yogi Berra would say, "déjà vu all over again." I knew how to fly and had only touched the yoke.
It is that inexplicable love and familiarity with things of yesterday that pulls
us back to the earlier time. Not because they're simpler, because in many ways
they aren't; but, because they are comfortable in our hands.
Lad
End Snip ----
My brother was an accomplished pilot holding a commercial rotary wing and single engine fixed wing license until an unexplained seizure grounded him for life. He is due to retire from the DOD, USTRANSCOM, in less than a year.
AMC content: Doh! I'm lookin' at an SX4..... AMC number seven is in the wings.
Jack
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