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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Fw: Chrome 140+ amp alternator?? (Mark Price)
2. bad bearing (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
3. bad bearing (d stohler)
4. Re: Fw: Chrome 140+ amp alternator?? (Tom Jennings)
5. Fw: amc Pacer parts wanted and hub question (Eddie Stakes)
6. New look at an old car (Jim Boone)
7. Re: New look at an old car (Mark Price)
8. amc miniature dealerships & factories on ebay (Eddie Stakes)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:31:36 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fw: Chrome 140+ amp alternator??
To: Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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You can put as big an alternator on the engine as will fit.
The issues are size, wiring, need.
If you put the 140 amp alternator on, I'd suggest a GM one wire to keep it simple. It should adapt fairly easily. If you don't need it it won't produce 140 amps. Cabling needs to be sized to carry that kind of amperage, fuses are also needed to keep things safe.
A lot of people put big alternators on and they don't need them. They are simply spending money. If your system does not draw a heavy enough load, the alternator doesn't put out the max amperage. Biggest mistake is to instal one of these, need it and have the wiring undersized! poof! No more car!
On the flip side, I heard tell of a guy who knew how to setup an alternator to put out 110 and since his heater core was gone. He mounted a second alternator wired for the 110 output and installed an electric heater! It placed so much load on the little six that the engine would stall when he turned the heater on. He then mounted a throttle hand control to pull when he was running the heater! Why he thought any of this was easier then putting in a new heater core I do not know!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Joseph is looking for a 140+ amp for his Javelin. Several questrions, has
> anyone heard of these and could point him in the right direction if so. And
> also, what is the max recommended alt one can use on a 74 Javelin? I know
> that a 65amp altenator was offered for Fleet Duty Police & Taxi AMCs, but my
> question is what 'could' be the highest amp used on AMC without torching the
> wiring system? Thanks in advance to all who might reply, be sure to copy
> your reply also to Joe.
> Eddie Stakes'
> Planet Houston AMX
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Vide" <JVide@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:00 PM
> Subject: Chrome alternator
>
>
> > Do you have chrome alternators that are about 140+ amps for a 1974 AMC
> > Javelin with a 360ci engine?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Joe
> >
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:52:58 -0600
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] bad bearing
To: <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Dave, I hope the noise/vibration was from the trans. Most of the
bearings are standard types available through a bearing and drive
supply. You'll need the numbers off the bearings, so can't order until
you pull them out. I got parts for a T-96, including a new cluster gear
and hard to find input shaft for the heavy duty "J" model (only AMC used
it, two years only!), from All-Trans in Greenville, SC
(http://www.alltransparts.com/). They specialize in manual
transmissions.
It's hard to order anything but run-of-the-mill parts through a chain
car parts store. You have to go to specialty dealers, or try the
privately owned places. Of the chains, only NAPA usually has competent
people. I don't mean that as a slam for any of you who work in parts
stores -- there are exceptions! Examine your co-workers/help...
About your torque tube... Tom said something interesting! You have an
unusual axle, so it's quite possible the shaft inside the tube is a
heavy duty variety also. Check your TSM first, the older models may not
have had a center bearing. But I have a question -- was the shaft a
solid metal rod 1-1.5" in diameter, or was it a larger diameter (2" or
more) tubular shaft? If tubular that's why no center bearing. A tubular
shaft is more flex resistant. If by chance it's solid, look around the
center of the shaft for two grooves about 1/16" deep all the way around
the shaft. Those would be for lock rings and indicate that it did have a
bearing at one time. It's possible that a bad bearing was removed -- a
little vibration at speed would have been better than a very noisy
bearing all the time. I'd never do anyting like that as more than a
temporary "fix", but some people...
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:45:40 -0800 (PST)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] bad bearing
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i have the large hollow shaft. no there wasnt any
grooves for clips or anything. absolutely nothing in
there. my tsm says the 10 series with 3.78, or 3.31
gears have the hollow shaft. say nothing about a
bearing. the 10 series with 4.41, or 4.10 have the
solid shaft. the 80 series has a combination
hollow/solid shaft with a bearing on automatics.
standards and od have solid shaft. i still have not
found out what axle for sure i have. does anyone know
a for sure, visible way to id this axle? it is driving
me NUTS.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:45:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fw: Chrome 140+ amp alternator??
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Mark Price wrote:
> You can put as big an alternator on the engine as will fit.
> The issues are size, wiring, need.
Damn right!, unless you really need the capacity, and have
massively rewired for it, it will be at least a waste, and at
worst, a burned-up wiring harness.
You stick a 100+ amp alternator in, it works fine, no problems
for a year or two.
Let's say one morning you find you left the lights on all night.
Battery is dead, dead, dead, won't turn over. You get a jump
start, starts up, you run fast-idle to charge up your battery
with your huge alternator.
15 minutes later you have smoke, and a melted harness.
The reason is, an alternator dumping 70, 80, 90, ... 140 amps
into the battery will melt the (approx.) 12-gauge wire the
factory installed with that original 37-amp Motorola. You need
4-gauge, or better, for 140 amps, and crimp connectors and such
o match. Those are NOT conservative numbers for the sake of
argument; they're actually on the small side.
For a 140 amp alternator, 12-guage is too small even as a
fusible link!
I have a 60 amp "one wire" in my Rambler and Hornet simply
because I could not find a smaller one! I'm running crimped and
soldered 10-gauge wire from the alt directly to the hot side
of the Ford-type starter solenoid. The Hornet has a terminal
strip with 14-gauge fusible link to the accessory feed.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:19:59 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: amc Pacer parts wanted and hub question
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Mad57chevy@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <026d01c7140c$ecdeb590$abf1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I just got off the phone with these folks and hasve never heard of the Pacer hub question he mentions, which was taken out of a Chilton's about damaging it when installing. Anyone that can help him out whether by commenting or pointing him in right direction for parts feel free to reply and copy a reply to him, thanks as usual to all who might reply.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mad57chevy@xxxxxxx
To: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:52 PM
Subject: amc parts
hi eddie,im mike from new jersey, i just bought a 76 pacer dl model, im looking for the drivers side rear, axel, hub, backing plate. as mine are bent and broken from the previous owner. i located a nos axel from ebay, not sure if it will fit my ratio but i bought it just in case you dont see many of those floating around, now the chiltons says that i can not replace a new axel on a used hub it will damage the teeth, not sure myself.plus mine ar bent any way . sorry to ramble any idea where i can find these either new or used thanks mike 609-276-0685 verizon cell.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:36:18 -0500
From: "Jim Boone" <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] New look at an old car
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I'll hopefully soon close on my old house that I've been renting for some
yrs. Darned market got soft about the time I listed, but all should be OK
now.
I'm cleaning things up over there, hauling stuff out, dealing with my
renter. I had two cars stashed over there (Cheap rent for my tenant = free
storage for old cars) in the garage. One is a '73 Brand F, but the other is
my '65 440 American. Oil light came on some yrs back so I quit driving it.
Spent a good yr finding and rebuilding a spare 195.6 OHV, then moved on to
other projects including building my new house.
So, the car has sat for ~4-5 yrs now. Was really dirty, but I gotta admit,
I'm kinda anxious to get that other engine in, maybe replace the T96 with a
T14 I have stashed, and go to a later non-big nut 2.73 geared '67 American
six rear I've been tripping over since ~01 sometime. Body+interior not
perfect, but not too bad either. That combo should get me 20-25 mpg.
This could be my driver/work car next yr!!
Kinda cool rediscovering something, ya know?
Jim Boone
Mims, FL 32754
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:18:50 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] New look at an old car
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Jim Boone <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Glad to hear you decided to get it back on the road!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Jim Boone <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'll hopefully soon close on my old house that I've been renting for some
> yrs. Darned market got soft about the time I listed, but all should be OK
> now.
>
> I'm cleaning things up over there, hauling stuff out, dealing with my
> renter. I had two cars stashed over there (Cheap rent for my tenant = free
> storage for old cars) in the garage. One is a '73 Brand F, but the other is
> my '65 440 American. Oil light came on some yrs back so I quit driving it.
> Spent a good yr finding and rebuilding a spare 195.6 OHV, then moved on to
> other projects including building my new house.
>
> So, the car has sat for ~4-5 yrs now. Was really dirty, but I gotta admit,
> I'm kinda anxious to get that other engine in, maybe replace the T96 with a
> T14 I have stashed, and go to a later non-big nut 2.73 geared '67 American
> six rear I've been tripping over since ~01 sometime. Body+interior not
> perfect, but not too bad either. That combo should get me 20-25 mpg.
> This could be my driver/work car next yr!!
>
> Kinda cool rediscovering something, ya know?
>
> Jim Boone
> Mims, FL 32754
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:29:02 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] amc miniature dealerships & factories on ebay
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Be sure to take a look at these hand built one of a kind miniature
dealerships, factories and cruise nights currently on ebay also, as they end
next week:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330055781753
brat stop
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330055775563
barton motors
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330055770175
kenosha skunkworks
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330055766531
unnamed dealership
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330056185550
texas takeover
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330056171180
andy's in kenosha
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330056154255
planet houston amx
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330056163133
stakes conoco
http://cgi.ebay.com/Kenosha-AMC-AMX-Javelin-Pacer-Gremlin-SCRambler-Rebel_W0QQitemZ330056190590QQihZ014QQcategoryZ88433QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
kenosha factory
(large link if it breaks, simply search www.ebay.com for 'kenosha factory'
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
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