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Today's Topics:

   1. non-OD T14 available in Los Angeles (was Re: OVERDRIVE
      OPTIONS) (Tom Jennings)
   2. Fresh Cherries Pacer (Mr. AMC)
   3. Duraspark distributor woes (258 six) (Tom Jennings)
   4. Re: Duraspark distributor woes (258 six) (Tom Jennings)
   5. Re: To The Recovering Mark Price (Mr. AMC)
   6. Re: Duraspark distributor woes (258 six) (Mark Price)
   7. Re: Duraspark distributor woes (258 six) (Tom Jennings)
   8. Need vacuum advance part number (Jim Blair)
   9. Posting this for a friend - 1969 AMC Ambassador SST
      (Station Wagons)
  10. 64 American (L. D. Lyons)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:37:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] non-OD T14 available in Los Angeles (was Re:
	OVERDRIVE OPTIONS)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610242133260.2126@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, Sandwich Maker wrote:

> all good things to know!  but one additional point - the non-od t14 is
> ~2" shorter than the t96 or [i believe] the od setups.  but there must
> be plenty of '67-9 american owners out there [199s mostly, early 232s]
> who'd love to trade their t96 setup for a non-od t14, and their
> driveshaft would be the right length for your new od setup.

Really?

I have a non-OD T14 that was behind a 1969 232 (Thanks Joe!) that
I ended up not needing -- will let it got for a pittance. I took
the cover off to look inside, since it had non-factory gasket
cement -- looks spotless, possibly rebuilt. Synchros looked new.

Here in Los Angeles. 

The T96's do suck. Frank knows a lot more than me, but I can
tell you I broke one (sheared teeth off first gear!) using a
dead-stock 232 as the hammer.


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:14:11 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Fresh Cherries Pacer
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <29087-453EF2A3-9609@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII

Frank the fresh Cherries Pacer I got cost 16$ and has period stock style
AMC aluminum mag's and tires and is quite nice for a really cheap radio
controlled car. I have not seen the Gremlin which is supposed to be a
larger scale than the Pacer with as Bart described as Having "Ghetto"
style wheels and tires for around 49$. To much money for me.  Bart drove
his R/C Gremlin into his pool. :-(
"Doc"



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:23:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Duraspark distributor woes (258 six)
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610242148210.2126@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

For some months I've been having trouble getting the timing
right on my Hornet's 258. It would either retard-backfire or
ping, with little adjustment range between the two.

2.73 axle, 904 auto, weber carb. I've been running cheapsh*t gas.
It's a Duraspark II (square coil, big Ford cap, etc).

I'm getting 19 mpg, down from a high of 20, averaged over full
tankfuls. (I've recorded every single fillup since May 2005).


I decided to do the job right this time. I pulled the distrib,
which was used but cleaned up by me in 2004. I swapped the worn
shaft (and removed crud from housing I think was blocking oil
movement up).

It had a mechanical advance unit that did only 13 degrees
advance!  (I didn't know about the markings on the thing back
then.) I had another distrib that contained a 10L/15L unit, so
I installed that, set to 10L (for 20 degrees total mechanical
advance).  I'm running the two light springs from a recurve kit;
all advance is in by 2500.

I blocked off vacuum advance for now, for testing. Set static
timing to 10 degrees, and drove to and from work, stopping to
tweak timing. At the end of the day I measure the static setting.

On regular crap gas (87 octane) it just pings under high highway
load (50 - 75 mph wide-open-throttle) with 8 degrees static;
with the 10L setin that makes 28 degrees total advance (no
vacc advance).

That's a lot shy of the recommended 36 - 38 degrees total!



Today, I filled up with "high test" (91 octane). I was able to
advance it probably 3 degrees more, and it doesnt-quite-almost
ping under the same conditions (hard accelleration, WOT, 50 to
75 mph). I'll measure in the morning's light, but I'm guessing
it will be 10 - 12 BTDC static, plus 20 mechanical, or 30 -
32 total.

This seems short too.

It's also quite temperature sensitive. I've got an excellent
cooling system; 3-row rad with two electric fans. At hot-normal
(eg.  after stop-and-go traffic, fans running) it will ping
lightly; after 65mph cruise in the cool, it runs at low-normal,
no pinging. For testing, I did adjust it to the edge. I think
I've got 195 degree thermostat in there. I may lower this to
180 if it lets me run more advance.



Any suggestions on why I'm unable to run much advance?

It's running great, even with no vacuum advance (which I'll do
later). Should I not worry about the numbers and just tune for
good performance?

(Also in the morning I will re-check total advance to make sure
measurement == expected. I've got one of those timing lights
with the knob to null out timing. Not sure how accurate it is!)




Question: would lean carb affect pinging, much? If it's lean
it's only by one or two jet sizes, probably. I did rejetting
a year ago, but I will revisit it after I untangle the timing.


Primary I htink is OK, by reading plugs, but I may have my
secondary too lean (it's a progressive, mechanical linkage). If I
rich it up, will it reduce pinging? The secondary is only open
during hard acell; it cruises at 70mph on only the primary
(you can easily feel it in the pedal).


I'm seriously thinking of writing up a how-to-tune-your-duraspark
from all the info I've found, which include

Ralph Winslow's excellent http://www.amxfiles.com/resource/tech/timing.html, referred to by someone on this list (thanks!)

and this excellent

http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2000/03/timing/index.shtml






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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:26:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Duraspark distributor woes (258 six)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610242225340.2126@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Forgot to ask:

With a V8 Duraspark vacuum advance unit fit on the six
distributor? 

I may want to get one of the adjustable jobs.




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:28:10 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] To The Recovering Mark Price
To: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx (Mark Price), amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <29087-453EF5EA-9626@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

You are right about the bike trails built on old railway right of ways
as being some what safer. A good friend who at the time was 70 years old
and a hemofeliac ( can't spell it ) used to ride his bike on the one
near where we live and had a crash and broke a few ribs had to walk 2
miles back to where he parked his truck and drive himself to the
hospital. Unfortunately he did not have a cell phone to call 911 for
help. Needless to say his well above average physical condition for his
age saved his life at the time. 
"Doc"

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:37:22 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Duraspark distributor woes (258 six)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I think IIRC they are backwards. Some of the factory ones are adjustable, you just stick a tiny allen wrench in and crank away.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV


---- Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx> wrote: 
> Forgot to ask:
> 
> With a V8 Duraspark vacuum advance unit fit on the six
> distributor? 
> 
> I may want to get one of the adjustable jobs.
> 
> 
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:54:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Duraspark distributor woes (258 six)
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610242254040.2126@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, Mark Price wrote:

> I think IIRC they are backwards. 

AHA! Thank I can check online or via AMC TSM.

> Some of the factory ones are adjustable, you just stick a tiny allen wrench in and crank away.

Tried! 



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:12:21 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Need vacuum advance part number
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F1091A5EFDA252F78FFFDBDAC060@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

I had a customer come in yesterday with a '78 FSJ (J20) and I can't find the 
older car ignition parts book ANYWHERE at work! It's the Motorcraft 
electronic ignition dist single vac. I was SO sure it was just a common Ford 
part that I looked one up for him, now his dist is apart and the piece isn't 
correct!

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:30:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Station Wagons <stationwagonsnortheast@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Posting this for a friend - 1969 AMC Ambassador
	SST
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

1969 AMC Ambassador SST two door hardtop,
Has the AMX 390 engine, originally equipped with dual exhaust, column
shift automatic, power steering, power drum brakes, AM radio, bucket
seats, A/C, tilt wheel. Interior is the Charcoal gray vinyl exterior
was originally Regatta Blue now painted white with black vinyl roof.
Not currently running and the body is a little rusty. deserves a
complete restoration. Make an appointment to see it and make me an offer.
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  401 835 2070
Rhode Island
   
   

 			
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:28:58 -0500
From: "L. D. Lyons" <ldlyons@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 64 American
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <00e401c6f828$c37f06a0$6401a8c0@lyonsamd2000xp>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

I am considering putting something other than a 196 in my 64 440 HDTP, can someone give me an idea on what would fit, I would love to put a v8 in.



I also have hood,  both front fenders, trunk lid & doors from a 65 220 4door that I would like to find a new home for. I am in south central Nebraska.

also a 287 V8 sitting in my garage for 15 years, 199 i6 from 65 classic. both complete except carb.


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