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Today's Topics:
1. Re: AMC Wheels 15 inches and beyond! Bling? (Ross Guistino)
2. Re: AMC Wheels 15 inches and beyond! Bling? (Sandwich Maker)
3. AMC 15 inch wheels (JOE FULTON)
4. Re: AMC 15 inch wheels (Sandwich Maker)
5. Ambassadors (Mahoney, John)
6. Re: Ambassadors (Sandwich Maker)
7. Re: Ambassadors (Tom Jennings)
8. Re: AMC Wheels 15 inches and beyond! Bling? (Ken Ames)
9. Re: carb id question (Ken Ames)
10. Re: Ambassadors (Mark Price)
11. ambo whls (Verron Bretemps)
12. Re: FREEEE (Joe)
13. Re: Freee (Mr. AMC)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 06:44:52 -0700
From: "Ross Guistino" <rossg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Wheels 15 inches and beyond! Bling?
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Thanks for the info, John.
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of John Elle
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:29 PM
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Wheels 15 inches and beyond! Bling?
Wheels to fit AMC cars from junk yard sources are not limited to 14 and
15 inch wheels although there are a lot of wheels manufactured that will fit
these cars. To see a fairly complete list go to; http://www.amccf.com/ and
follow the directions to enter the site and look under technical for the
incredibly large choice of AMC information until you find the wheel list.
But to continue on into the newer wheels, the Dodge Caravan and Chrysler T&C
used 16 and 17 inch wheels and have the same bolt pattern.
I have a set of Ford Bronco aluminum wheels that look as if they will go on
an AMC car with out interference as far as I checked at this point in time.
I also have a set of 17 inch aluminum wheels that appear as they might work
too from a T&C. Right now I am running the 16 inch Bronco wheels on my T&C
as I blew 2 tires and shredded the tread on a third one all with in a weeks
time and the Bronco Wheels had almost new tires on them. No sense in wasting
good tires. With wheels of this nature you start getting some interesting
off sets which may or may not work in the long run.
John
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:17:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Wheels 15 inches and beyond! Bling?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610191517.k9JFHUv01292@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" Wheels to fit AMC cars from junk yard sources are not limited to 14 and
" 15 inch wheels although there are a lot of wheels manufactured that will
" fit these cars. To see a fairly complete list go to;
" http://www.amccf.com/
" and follow the directions to enter the site and look under technical for
" the incredibly large choice of AMC information until you find the wheel
" list.
pretty extensive.
a warning about ford wheels though - i've seen ones that will not go
over the amc hub because their center hole is just 1/16" too small. i
believe it's 2 7/8" vs. 2 15/16" for amc and the mopar wheels i've
seen.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:16:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC 15 inch wheels
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061019161615.57082.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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One other note about wheels. The older AMC 15-inch
wheels made prior to the disk brake era will not fit
the more modern AMCs with disk brakes. The center hub
on disk brake cars is too large for these old wheels.
Example: 15-inch wheels from a 63 Rambler Classic
will not fit on a 76 Hornet or 77 Gremlin.
BTDT.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:56:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC 15 inch wheels
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610191656.k9JGuu401953@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" One other note about wheels. The older AMC 15-inch
" wheels made prior to the disk brake era will not fit
" the more modern AMCs with disk brakes. The center hub
" on disk brake cars is too large for these old wheels.
"
" Example: 15-inch wheels from a 63 Rambler Classic
" will not fit on a 76 Hornet or 77 Gremlin.
my '67 marlin - all drums - had the large hubs too, but my '66 and '68
americans don't.
________________________________________________________________________
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internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:57:36 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Ambassadors
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
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>>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1953 2 door SEDAN NASH Airflite for sale
tried to find some pics of this car (google was no help this time)
<<
Maybe Google knew that Nash built an -Airflyte- not an "Airflite":
http://info.detnews.com/dn/joyrides/1999/orphans/53nash.jpg
>>
don't think there are any 15" wheelcovers that'd look good on a grem
- they're made for ambo wagons mostly
<<
If you're thinking "in Gremlin's time" --- which Ambo wagons had 15s?
Don't say Hindustan Ambassadors [which did]: they didn't make wagons:
http://www.hmambassador.com/iszmpfi.asp
Ralph's old Ambassador wagon TV commercial, Noah's new Ambassador page, and Eddie's ongoing Ambassador sales: count up all the old Ambassadors. But count one fewer now: the Ambassador "ploody" wagon that doubled for the Olds Vista Cruiser in a recent crash --- created by the stunt director whose ex-father-in-law produced "The Man With The Golden Gun."
>From 1974! (AKA "When the Last Independent Made The Last Ambassador")
Bad Robot! (Alias "Lost In Six Degrees Of A Star Trek Nine Joy Ride")
That should keep you thinking for awhile. (And it is AMC-related...)
>>
it is with morbid amusement that i see japanese companies successfully
import their suvs as -cars- but get them past the epa and dot etc as
-trucks-.
<<
But you didn't die laughing when Neon, the Belvidere*, Illinois domestic car became PT Cruiser, the Toluca, Mexico import truck? Didn't you read what DaimlerChrysler had your Congress put into Title 49 of your Federal Code [Part 523, Section 523.5, Paragraph (a), Provision (5)]
"Permit expanded use of the automobile for cargo-carrying purposes or other nonpassenger-carrying purposes through the removal of seats by means installed for that purpose by the automobile's manufacturer or with simple tools such as screwdrivers and wrenches, so as to create a flat, floor level, surface extending from the forward-most point of installation of those seats to the rear of the automobile's interior."
or were you blinded by the Rising Sun? You get what they get paid for: Republicans or Democrats (and other species of political hack...)
(*Belvedere = Plymouth model; Belvidere = Chryco plant; don't buy your Mopar knowledge from those auto experts who don't differentiate...)
>>
Stick some Ambassador emblems on it to make a faux 87-89 AMC Ambo -- at least that was a thought when Kenosha assembled the New Yorker/Diplomat (though not a two door). Does anyone have any photos of the test mule/prototype Ambassador
<<
A 112.7" two-door "Ambassador" was built (a modified "Imperial" mockup) and destroyed. B&W photos. AFAIK, no M-body four-door "AMC" ever was prototyped or modeled, only rendered. The one 118" R-body "AMC" built (and it was photographed in color) by an outside contractor was -not- what Lee wanted: not only were GM and Ford parts on it, but it looked more expensive than the St. Regis Touring; maybe even more elegant than the New Yorker Fifth Avenue.
Chrysler was not keen on the production of a new Kenosha Cadillac.
You may see those cars or the 115" Pacer-based "Matadors" or the 108" "last" Ambassador or the three final "faces" of AMX Turbo (plus design details, from grilles to wings to wheels to lighting) when you see a serious and stable state of AMC. That AMC is still to be seen.
You are in charge of the AMC hobby: you're AMC now.
>>
As a hobby, we need to stop selling our cars short.
They are worth a lot more than what we have been
getting for them. AMC is still a great buy when you
consider the market. Look at the SS AMX for example.
They made a heck of a lot more Hemi Cudas yet a Cuda
will bring 3-4 times as much money. Daytona or
Superbird, again more than the SS AMX yet one of those
I have seen bring over $1,000,000.00. Heck there are
probably still more in existence today then 52 SS they
made. How about the LS6 Chevelle that brought over
1mil. Restore you car to the best of your means.
Take care of it and don't let it waste away. Some day
that car might make a difference in your life. I
applaud anyone who gets more than the last AMC of it's
kind. We can't continue to get more products for them
without those willing to pay up for a car.
<<
In whichever recent motor magazine had a SC/Rambler on the cover and AMC articles inside, a '71 Chevrolet Kingswood Estate wagon is "worth" over $10k; what's the "value" of a '71 AMC Ambassador Brougham wagon by comparison? Why???
Don't say "AMC is not about the money!" --- you've already laid that one on me. The most "valuable" car I owned was the one I was the -happiest- to sell (for over $200k): not because I didn't like it or what it stood for: the height of innovation, style, and performance by any dead American independent), but because it became more an "investment" vehicle than a "pleasure" vehicle. (That said, still more AMC "appreciation" would not be a bad thing for AMC now...)
>>
AMC still used leaded seams in 1977. The C-pillar
seams were leaded. In addition there were three or
four braised spots in this area and at the front of
the quarter, just below the front of the quarter
window and at the rear near the tail light piece.
<<
AMC was one of the last "majors" to lead in the '80s; AMC also was one of the last "low-price" makers to hand-weld (and to hand-braze) steel.
AMC was almost last to vent front windows, was outlasted by ~10 years
http://tinyurl.com/yz289q
Count the [six] window switches (but Lincoln couldn't flap its wings...)
>>
have always wondered what it would be like to drive off in a blue Funk!
<<
...like driving Isuzu's Mysterious Utility
http://www.isuzu.co.jp/museum/suv/mu.html
...taking to the road in Honda's Life Dunk
http://www.honda.co.jp/manual/life-dunk/2003/
...or taking on VW Beetle with an AMC badge.
http://www.planethoustonamx.com/parts/amc_gremlin_sign.JPG
Drive different.
Drive an AMC.
Drive away.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:09:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Ambassadors
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610192209.k9JM95804673@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
"
"
" >>
" don't think there are any 15" wheelcovers that'd look good on a grem
" - they're made for ambo wagons mostly
" <<
"
" If you're thinking "in Gremlin's time" --- which Ambo wagons had 15s?
'70-2 iirc
maybe i'm thinking of rebel wagons. 15x6" steels were available on
the senior line...
" >>
" it is with morbid amusement that i see japanese companies successfully
" import their suvs as -cars- but get them past the epa and dot etc as
" -trucks-.
" <<
"
" But you didn't die laughing when Neon, the Belvidere*, Illinois
" domestic car became PT Cruiser, the Toluca, Mexico import truck?
" Didn't you read what DaimlerChrysler had your Congress put into
" Title 49 of your Federal Code [Part 523, Section 523.5, Paragraph
" (a), Provision (5)]
"
" "Permit expanded use of the automobile for cargo-carrying purposes
" or other nonpassenger-carrying purposes through the removal of seats
" by means installed for that purpose by the automobile's manufacturer
" or with simple tools such as screwdrivers and wrenches, so as to
" create a flat, floor level, surface extending from the forward-most
" point of installation of those seats to the rear of the automobile's
" interior."
"
" or were you blinded by the Rising Sun? You get what they get paid
" for: Republicans or Democrats (and other species of political hack...)
"
" (*Belvedere = Plymouth model; Belvidere = Chryco plant; don't buy
" your Mopar knowledge from those auto experts who don't differentiate...)
no, i didn't. the pt cruiser is a reskinned neon through and through,
yet it falls under truck safety and emissions rules.
they're boasting that the new small jeep is also essentially a neon
[shared with a new awd neon chassis], yet they're trying - while still
trying to lure more -car- buyers - to maintain that it's a jeep, not a
car...
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:11:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Ambassadors
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610191707090.2126@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> >>
> it is with morbid amusement that i see japanese companies successfully
> import their suvs as -cars- but get them past the epa and dot etc as
> -trucks-.
> <<
>
> But you didn't die laughing when Neon, the Belvidere*, Illinois domestic car became PT Cruiser, the Toluca, Mexico import truck? Didn't you read what DaimlerChrysler had your Congress put into Title 49 of your Federal Code [Part 523, Section 523.5, Paragraph (a), Provision (5)]
>
> "Permit expanded use of the automobile for cargo-carrying purposes or other nonpassenger-carrying purposes through the removal of seats by means installed for that purpose by the automobile's manufacturer or with simple tools such as screwdrivers and wrenches, so as to create a flat, floor level, surface extending from the forward-most point of installation of those seats to the rear of the automobile's interior."
>
> or were you blinded by the Rising Sun? You get what they get paid for: Republicans or Democrats (and other species of political hack...)
Don't be such a Brat John...
I recall it was the American auto industry that played games with
the truck category to slow imports down (remember the gyrations
Subaru did with the Brat to get it to be a "truck"?) rather
than >gasp< actually compete with them. I recall the charges
of Japanese unfair dumping, gov't suppor of Japanese cars,
etc, but if you look back NOW those cars weren't THAT good,
but the AMerican cars were that BAD. Too bad for us, now, that
they didn't simpyl take it then as a wake-up call to make better
American cars.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:45:16 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Wheels 15 inches and beyond! Bling?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1161308716.45382a2c902d5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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A few months ago I was wandering the van section of the local yard. I thought I
caught a glimpse of a Machine wheel but it turns out it was the stock steel
wheel from a 1990 Plymouth Voyager. They do have some similarities. Couldn't
find a photo to point y'all at though. Other years could be the same.
Ken
Quoting John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>:
> Wheels to fit AMC cars from junk yard sources are not limited to 14 and
> 15 inch wheels although there are a lot of wheels manufactured that will
> fit these cars. To see a fairly complete list go to;
> http://www.amccf.com/
> and follow the directions to enter the site and look under technical for
> the incredibly large choice of AMC information until you find the wheel
> list.
> But to continue on into the newer wheels, the Dodge Caravan and Chrysler
> T&C used 16 and 17 inch wheels and have the same bolt pattern.
> I have a set of Ford Bronco aluminum wheels that look as if they will go
> on an AMC car with out interference as far as I checked at this point in
> time. I also have a set of 17 inch aluminum wheels that appear as they
> might work too from a T&C. Right now I am running the 16 inch Bronco
> wheels on my T&C as I blew 2 tires and shredded the tread on a third one
> all with in a weeks time and the Bronco Wheels had almost new tires on
> them. No sense in wasting good tires. With wheels of this nature you
> start getting some interesting off sets which may or may not work in the
> long run.
> John
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:42:30 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] carb id question
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, Eddie Stakes
<eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: MPARKSMCE@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1161308550.45382986cb83d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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The 2TM4 is for the 1972 Manual trans 360/401.
The other letters are build date and such.
Ken
Quoting Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> First great website, i enjoy it alot. I hate to bug ya, but could you lead
> me in the direction to ID a carb? It came with my AMX, and cannot find any
> info
> on it on the web, i have about 3 hours looking.It's an autolite and the tag
> says 2T4M AA EC 28
> thanks if ya can help! By the way, i live in the same town as that picture
> you have for the AMC dealership in Corydon Indiana, i freaked when i saw
> it,
> and tomorrow i am going to bug the people that have it now, and see if there
> are any goodies left, it's still a mechanic shop....and the coke machine
> still
> works....thanks, mark
> MPARKSMCE@xxxxxxx
> ============================
> anyone that might be able to help Mark positively ID the carb feel free to
> give him a shout, and post here, he will be reading it, might even join,
> thanks in advance to all who may reply.
> Eddie Stakes
> Eddie Stakes'
> Planet Houston AMX
> 713.464.8825
> eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.planethoustonamx.com
> Email is currently HEAVY
> 5-12 day reply times, call if important
>
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:14:24 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Ambassadors
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <29474817.1161310464411.JavaMail.root@web35>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Maybe it's a con job, but if it lures Soccer moms away from Gas sucking SUVs and into something that gets the job done on half the fuel I'm all for it.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> they're boasting that the new small jeep is also essentially a neon
> [shared with a new awd neon chassis], yet they're trying - while still
> trying to lure more -car- buyers - to maintain that it's a jeep, not a
> car...
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:25:21 -0400
From: "Verron Bretemps" <amxron@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] ambo whls
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY112-F226C076E2229545EE17667C80D0@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"
71-74 Ambos came w/ 14", the only exceptions were FLEET option 15's
which were the mopar style plain steel wheel. When full wheel covers
were spec'd they were the Jeep Commando/ Wagoneer type w/o the cutouts
for locking hubs.
amxron
former fleet sales mgr
Orbit AMC/Jeep
Brentwood, Md
Dlr 50-1787
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:33:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe <jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] FREEEE
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061020053326.89688.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Doc i know how you feel. I have tried to sell a 1967
343(needs rebuilt). NO replies/offers at all??? I also
had several guys call/email supposedly wanting the
GOOD 360 4bbl i advertised. Several called ,several
said they were coming or sending $$$ to hold it.
Nothing yet? NEED room,remodling,insulating garage.
The 343 might have to go outside under a tarp. HATE to
dump a 343 butttt this is getting riduclous(spelling)!
I have kept ALOT of parts...etc!! Guess it is in
vain.NO reason at all for me to advertise my 42,000
mile 232 i guess?? Joe
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:46:09 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Freee
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Joe I still haven't heard from the guy about the free engine so when my
son gets the truck to clean out the junk in my garage and my storage
space it goes to the dump. Any thing not sold or given away and not
usable for my two 74 Hornet's goes to the dump. I can use the 113$ a
month the storage space cost me to start doing the body work this winter
on both my Hornet's.
"Doc"
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