AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 37
[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 37
- From: amc-list-request@xxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:13:31 +0000
Send AMC-List mailing list submissions to
amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
amc-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx
You can reach the person managing the list at
amc-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of AMC-List digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: What type of AT does a Gladiator have? (Sandwich Maker)
2. Re: 71 AMX 401, 4spd for sale
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
3. Re: What type of AT does a Gladiator have? -- I want one! (or
Comanche) (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
4. Re: What type of AT does a Gladiator have? (John Elle)
5. Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet (KENT ANDERSON)
6. 69 camaros and Javs (Nick ALFANO)
7. Identify 343 V-8 flexplate and balancer?
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
8. Need Gremlin door tag info (Nick ALFANO)
9. t-5 transmission for 304 (d stohler)
10. Re: t-5 transmission for 304 (Mark Price)
11. Re: Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet (Mark Price)
12. Re: Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet (Mark Price)
13. Re: RHD conversion (Tom Jennings)
14. Pomona swap meet, et al (russ hathaway)
15. Re: t-5 transmission for 304 (Sandwich Maker)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:12:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] What type of AT does a Gladiator have?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610131212.k9DCCck19580@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" BorgWarner M series?
yes, before '65. this jeep has a 327.
" Quoting Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
"
" > " From: Justin Shelton <hydeparker@xxxxxxxxx>
" > "
" > "
" > " I just posted about the Jeep Gladiator in a junk yard in SB.
" > "
" > " Does anyone know what AT was used in them? I know nothing about
" > " Jeeps. This just got me to wondering.
" >
" > th400, buick 'nailhead' [pre-'66 425 et al] case with adapter ring.
" > ________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:22:13 -0500
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 71 AMX 401, 4spd for sale
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D0198751F@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 71 AMX 401, 4spd for sale
Folks,
Why does one consider this car rare?????
Peter
--------------
It's all relative! Us AMC guys see them "all the time" because we look
for them and know where all the local ones are. But there were much
fewer Javelins (period) made than the other pony cars, and the general
automotive public (even pony collectors) doesn't pay much attention to
anything that isn't popular. Even for Javelins a 401 4 speed combo isn't
common though. Fewer than 25% (I'm being conservative, probably 20% or
less) had four speeds. An auto was/is best for most drag racing.
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:01:21 -0500
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] What type of AT does a Gladiator have? -- I
want one! (or Comanche)
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D01987574@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
The 230 OHC used a Borg-Warner M-8 (AS-8F) auto according to the IFSJA
site.
(http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/db.html)
That's a cast iron trans, predecessor to M-10/11/12. AMC used the M-8 in
the early 60s behind the 327. I think it has a vacuum modulator, not
positive.
Jeep 327s used the "universal" (nailhead) pattern TH-400 and adapter. As
Mark says, I've never seen one, but I'm sure there were a few 232s with
the TH-400 running around at one time. Most of those old J-trucks got
used/abused and thrown away -- 20 years later! I've been looking for
one, and just let one slip away!! The one I looked at about a week and a
half ago is gone. Took me that long to decide I really would like to
have one!
Anyone know of a J-10 or older six cylinder stick shift J-truck that
hasn't been re-axled and lifted (lift I can undo, but I want the high
geared axles, no 4.10s, prefer the 80s 2.73s -- it has a low range in
the t/case if needed!) within a couple hours or so of Dover? I've found
a couple, but all are 360 auto, except for one J-20 in PA that was
converted to a 258 four speed -- w/4.10 gears. Not something I want to
drive on the highway! At this point I'll consider an auto six cylinder
or 304 powered truck. I'll even consider a 360 stick shift/327 stick or
auto.
I'm looking for a runner, ready to drive with minor work, but doesn't
have to look good at all (just not beat/rusted to near death!). Ideally
it would be around $1000, but I'll look at higher priced trucks. I'll
consider a Comanche also -- six cylinder four or five speed, 2 or 4 WD.
The only thing I found nearby is an 86 w/2.8L. I'm thinking about it,
but really don't want to mess with the little V-6. Would get an EFI
conversion or 3.1/3.4 conversion if I had it, but that's more than I
want to mess with. Would rather put the extra Renix EFI system I have on
a 258!
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:54:53 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] What type of AT does a Gladiator have?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000001c6eecf$2c8eb9f0$f9dd0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Howabout-------
-a Borg-Warner AS-8F, available from 1962 to 1965 behind the Tornado
230.
I remember seeing one of these engines stuffed into a Simca Roadster
inside
the radiator repair shop in behind Bobby Hines's house in Holcomb N.Y.
some
time in the middle 60's. I wonder what ever happened to it?
Those were the days when you could do things like this with out running
afoul
of some ill-conceived and implemented smog law.
John
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:07:34 -0400
From: "KENT ANDERSON" <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <002e01c6eed0$f1fb62f0$6400a8c0@SONY>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Russ....
If you want, I'll make you a T-shirt that has that front and back. No more sign! Ten Bucks, and it's on its way to you.
Kenny
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:48:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 69 camaros and Javs
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <20061013144808.64041.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Russ,
Not only can you buy the body, you can buy the entire
car front to back including the uni-body right out of
a catalog today. Chip Foose built one of these last
year for the BJ auction. I think the Uni-body and tub
up to the firewall starts around $13000.00 for a coupe
or convertible. Open up a Year One catalog or any one
of the other Chevy suppliers and buy the fenders,
doors, interior, engine, trans and so on and you know
have a brand new Camaro. Getting it titled is another
issue though. Some states are much more lenient in
doing this. Others, you have to have a VIN from a car
and then show it as a re-bodied car.
Wouldn't it be nice just to buy all the factory body
panels for our cars instead of having to put together
5 patch panels just to fix a quarter and then you only
have a patched panel that needs a fair amount of body
work to straighten and smooth.
As for rarity, the 71 401 4spd Javelin and AMXs are
both pretty rare when it comes to the muscle car
market. Look at what some of the other car makes are
bringing for cars with production numbers like these.
In addition, the 71 had features/options that were 71
only like the console that goes under the dash,
different instrument switches, 10.2:1 compression (for
the early 401s), three different rear window options,
leather interior (not sure if you could get that in 72
or not), Machine wheels, rim blow, etc.
As a hobby, we need to stop selling our cars short.
They are worth a lot more than what we have been
getting for them. AMC is still a great buy when you
consider the market. Look at the SS AMX for example.
They made a heck of a lot more Hemi Cudas yet a Cuda
will bring 3-4 times as much money. Daytona or
Superbird, again more than the SS AMX yet one of those
I have seen bring over $1,000,000.00. Heck there are
probably still more in existence today then 52 SS they
made. How about the LS6 Chevelle that brought over
1mil. Restore you car to the best of your means.
Take care of it and don't let it waste away. Some day
that car might make a difference in your life. I
applaud anyone who gets more than the last AMC of it's
kind. We can't continue to get more products for them
without those willing to pay up for a car.
Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
Message: 3
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:49:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 69 Camaros and Javs
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<20061012234955.73243.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
I would say there were more 69 Camaros made than the
entire Jav line from 68 to 74. I am not sure of the
production run in 69, but you can even buy a brand new
69 Camaro body today.....Russ
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:53:45 -0500
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Identify 343 V-8 flexplate and balancer?
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D019875C1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Can anyone tell me if there is a part number on a 343 flexplate, or how
to definitely identify a 343 vs. 360 flexplate? Also the balancer? A
fellow in CHILE is having problems with "engine vibration at mid rpm".
He's not certain the flexplate is original, or the balancer. I'm not
knowledgeable enough with the V-8s to tell for certain what each should
have or how to definitely identify them. The engine is in a 69 Javelin,
which is rare in Chile. VIN indicates the engine is correct, but I'm
unsure of the trans. I do know it should be a B-W M-1x.
------------------------------
Message: 8
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:04:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Need Gremlin door tag info
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <20061013150412.61370.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Anyone have the door code information handy for a 74
Gremlin X, trans am red with the Levis edition? If
so, please let me know.
Thanks,
Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:14:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] t-5 transmission for 304
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061013151445.28297.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
i got a bellhousing to mount a t-5 to an amc 304. it was out of a 80's cj with a 6 cyl i was told. i got the fork and throwout bearing also. anyway, i am not sure of the input shaft length. found a company that sells t-5 rated at 300 lbs with an input shaft length of 7.19" and 7.87" there are others that are rated at less lbs to handle with other lengths. shortest is 7.16 and rated at only 230 lbs. anyone know what whould be the right input shaft length to work with that bellhousing? i would rather use one of the 300 lb rated trannys as i plan to have a healthy 304. thanks for all the help.
i will be home in the states from iraq for good for thanksgiving. :-D. so im hoping to have a good winter project. anyway, thanks for all the help.
dave stohler
camp taji iraq
---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 8:29:21 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] t-5 transmission for 304
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<13503566.1160753361562.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I don't recognize those lengths.
Mustang input length is commonly referred to as 9 1/4".
That's what you are looking for a 83-92 Ford Mustang length input.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> i got a bellhousing to mount a t-5 to an amc 304. it was out of a 80's cj with a 6 cyl i was told. i got the fork and throwout bearing also. anyway, i am not sure of the input shaft length. found a company that sells t-5 rated at 300 lbs with an input shaft length of 7.19" and 7.87" there are others that are rated at less lbs to handle with other lengths. shortest is 7.16 and rated at only 230 lbs. anyone know what whould be the right input shaft length to work with that bellhousing? i would rather use one of the 300 lb rated trannys as i plan to have a healthy 304. thanks for all the help.
>
> i will be home in the states from iraq for good for thanksgiving. :-D. so im hoping to have a good winter project. anyway, thanks for all the help.
>
> dave stohler
> camp taji iraq
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.
> _______________________________________________
> AMC-List mailing list
> AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
>
> or go to http://www.amc-list.com
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 8:35:09 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<25024501.1160753709016.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Now that's an awesome Idea!
Though probably not as noticeable as the sign flapping around on your arse!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Russ....
>
> If you want, I'll make you a T-shirt that has that front and back. No more sign! Ten Bucks, and it's on its way to you.
>
> Kenny
> _______________________________________________
> AMC-List mailing list
> AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
>
> or go to http://www.amc-list.com
------------------------------
Message: 12
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 8:36:43 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<31781302.1160753803313.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I need one that says,
"Rambler spoken here and my wife doesn't understand"!!!! :]
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Russ....
>
> If you want, I'll make you a T-shirt that has that front and back. No more sign! Ten Bucks, and it's on its way to you.
>
> Kenny
> _______________________________________________
> AMC-List mailing list
> AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
>
> or go to http://www.amc-list.com
------------------------------
Message: 13
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:32:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] RHD conversion
To: AMC-List <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610130931390.7205@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> The subject of RHD conversions came up a few days ago, and I mentioned a chain drive Jeep conversion. Want to see one? Go to E-bay and search for item # 110042028809.
OK, now that's a whacked project if I ever did seed one. Let's
hope that belt doesn't jump the pulley.
------------------------------
Message: 14
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:39:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Pomona swap meet, et al
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061013173944.15653.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Tom, be careful about wearing a sign on a windy day, a
good breeze will swing that sign up to yer face. I tie
a waist band on windy days. With the sign, my back
pack and a gallon of water I am dressed for battle.....Russ
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com
------------------------------
Message: 15
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:13:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] t-5 transmission for 304
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610131813.k9DIDDM21852@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
"
" ---- d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
" > i got a bellhousing to mount a t-5 to an amc 304. it was out of a
" > 80's cj with a 6 cyl i was told. i got the fork and throwout bearing
" > also. anyway, i am not sure of the input shaft length. found a
" > company that sells t-5 rated at 300 lbs with an input shaft length
" > of 7.19" and 7.87" there are others that are rated at less lbs to
" > handle with other lengths. shortest is 7.16 and rated at only 230
" > lbs. anyone know what whould be the right input shaft length to work
" > with that bellhousing? i would rather use one of the 300 lb rated
" > trannys as i plan to have a healthy 304. thanks for all the help.
" >
" > i will be home in the states from iraq for good for thanksgiving.
" > :-D. so im hoping to have a good winter project. anyway, thanks for
" > all the help.
" >
" >
"
" I don't recognize those lengths.
" Mustang input length is commonly referred to as 9 1/4".
" That's what you are looking for a 83-92 Ford Mustang length input.
i've seen those numbers; 7.19" for '83-'93 5.0 t5s, 7.87" for '93-4
5.0 and 3.8; 7.41" for 4-cyl ford t5s.
and 7.18" for amc. btw both 7.18 and 7.19 look to me like rounded
decimalizations for 7 3/16.
ford svt sells a t5 rated at 330 ft-lbs for $1000 or $1100, last i
heard, and they have a 7.19" input. bw must have an aftermarket t5
with similar specs except for a more reasonable 0.8 5th [the svt's is
0.63, which would be great for a -6th-].
there's an argument for going with a 3rd party vendor though. most
early cars want a shifter location more forward than the stock
mustang's. the common trick is to use a chevy s-10 tailshaft housing,
which has about the most forward location of any t5. a 3rd party
could do this for you at little extra charge.
you'll also want a gm or [i think] 4 cyl ford bearing retainer. the
v8 fords have a 4.85" retainer diameter, but amc, gm, and i'm pretty
sure 4-cyl fords have a 4.64" size.
clutch disk and pilot bushing can come straignt from a t150 [late
'70s] 3sp. output yoke too iirc, maybe even tranny mount.
the other thing that makes sense to me is the 5speeds.com cluster
stabilizer, a shimmable billet replacement for the stock sheetmetal
cluster bearing retainer. if you're doing the tranny yourself, it
would be easy to install the billet stabilizer and the 0.8 5th while
swapping the s-10 tailshaft housing.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
------------------------------
_______________________________________________
AMC-List mailing list
AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
End of AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 37
***************************************
Back to the Home of the AMC Gremlin