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Today's Topics:
1. Re: rambler hot rod (Sandwich Maker)
2. Re: rambler hot rod // backwards six (Tom Jennings)
3. AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Jesse)
4. Re: rambler hot rod (Tom Jennings)
5. Re: 6 Speed GM automatics etc. (Mark Price)
6. Re: AMC Distributor Cap: Black or Blue? (Matt Haas)
7. Re: rambler hot rod // backwards six (farna@xxxxxxx)
8. FW: 390 available in PA (farna@xxxxxxx)
9. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Sandwich Maker)
10. Re: rambler hot rod // backwards six (Sandwich Maker)
11. 390 & 4 spd Trans - How much does it weigh? (Ron Akerman)
12. Re: rambler hot rod // backwards six (Sandwich Maker)
13. Rambler Hot Rod con't (Brien Tourville)
14. Re: rambler hot rod (Sandwich Maker)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:25:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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" From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
"
" On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, Sandwich Maker wrote:
"
" > the '97-'04 c5... pic of the transaxle going into a camaro
" > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/davidesenia/CorvetteSuspensionSwap.jpg
" > it's apparently a warner t56 coupled to a d44.
"
"
" Nice! But it's still too long for mid-engine.
i think you could still do it within a 104" wb though.
" The Halibrand transaxle (used in #50) is REALLY SHORT, sort of
" visible in these photos:
"
" http://www.cacklefest.com/images/motor-mounted.jpg
" http://www.cacklefest.com/images/striping-002.jpg
"
" (Note distance motor to axle CL)
couldn't see much. does the halibrand put the gearbox behind the
axle? unless it does i don't see how it could be much different than
the c5 setup.
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adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:49:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod // backwards six
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> what tranny are ya gonna run? my bellhousing could set you up for a
> t-10... [or an amc-pattern richmond 5sp. they never nade an amc ver
> of the 6sp, but it looks enough like their 5sp i bet inputs swap.]
If I use the Navarro motor, it's a 66 block, hence old 196/Nash
pattern. That limits my choices, or I'd have to adapt. I haven't
looked at that angle; most people never bother for the usual
AMC reasons (old blocks are not usually worth the effort, etc).
I have a 1975 T14 with Laycock de Normanville electric OD;
I really want to use this transmission. I'm probably the only
person who likes 3-speeds and who likes the separate, unweildy
OD. I have zero (0) interest in racing or constantly stirring
gears in a close box. It would be a light car!
The Navarro engine and the T14/OD are not compatible directly,
therefore it's TBD at this point.
> with gear drive the cam is not
> reversed;
Are there not two-gear drive sets that do reverse? I know most
of them have a double-idler to retain rotation. Anyhoo, it's
moot at this point, for me.
> " If the distributor gear direction does matter, then a custom
> " cam with "chevy" gear cut on it, and stock AMC distrib gear,
> " will accomplish the same thing.
>
> ummm they're a set. you need both cam and dist gears to be chevy for
> the cam to turn backwards without reversing the dist.
Oh, duh, you're of course correct, silly me.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:52:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
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Hmmm, I must have missed a lot with all those spin
around backwards suggestions, however, here's my .02.
If I were going Mid Engine With and AMC, I would get
the Fwd TH400 from an Olds Toronado and mount it out
back behind the engine.
Does that have the same Bolt pattern as the FSJ TH400
before they adapted an actual AMC Bolt Pattern? Now
wouldn't that be cool if you could take the early
adapter for the Jeep TH400 and mount an Olds FWD trans
straight up!
Hey, we could even do a FWD AMC that way!
(If you were not aware, the original Olds Toronado was
a Big Block Front Wheel Drive Monster from the 60's...
an AWEsome cruiser and BRUIser.) A definite cool rig!
OK, Boys, LIGHT ME UP!
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:52:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> " http://www.cacklefest.com/images/striping-002.jpg
> "
> " (Note distance motor to axle CL)
>
> couldn't see much. does the halibrand put the gearbox behind the
> axle? unless it does i don't see how it could be much different than
> the c5 setup.
Yeah, I'm not sure those pics are the right rear anyways.
I don't have photos of the #50 transaxle, but I recall it being
VERY short, even shorter than the back-of-block-to-axle photo
above indicates.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:11:33 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 6 Speed GM automatics etc.
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I've tried to explain this same principle to my wife for years.
I've given up, but with her 98 Altima going up a hill it searches for the right gear the whole way up. Downshifting in and out of overdrive.
I've shown that a simple press on the O/D lockout button after the trans downshifts the first time locks the converter back up and drops engine rpm 300 rpm. This saves gas and wear and tear on the trans. She doesn't get it and won't do it! ARRG! So when she is driving on the interstate and I'm with her I do it from the passenger seat! She doen't care if I do it, but won't herself!
It ticks me off that back in the eighties Nissan added a switch in the Maximas that would lock the O/D out when a hill passed a certain degree of incline. It was probably mercury based switch! What it did was left the car in O/D till it downshifted then if the incline was too steep it blocked the upshift to O/D and locked the converter till the road levelled out! Nifty!
--
Mark Price
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Morgantown, WV
---- John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> SNIP
> Maybe it's the lockup converter he's thinking is 4th?
> Ken
> SNIP
>
> Actually I know it is!
> But it got your attention!
> In general that is what many of the newer electronic
> Automatics are doing, splitting gears by locking and
> un-locking the torque converter.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:34:58 -0400
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Distributor Cap: Black or Blue?
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Mark,
If it's a Delco distributor, the cap should be black and have "Delco Remy"
along with a patent number on the cap.
Matt
At 05:43 PM 9/30/2006 -0400, you wrote:
>
>which is the correct distributor cap for the 74 AMX? The black or the blue?
>I have a blue cap on mine, and have been seeing blue caps on most of the
>AMC's.
>When I saw an NOS Distributor cap on eBay, it was black.
>which is it? black or blue?
>
>Thanks,
>Mark
>74 Mellow Yellow AMX Survivor
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 02:37:48 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod // backwards six
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Why worry about a backwards rotation? Use a 4x4 tranny and ditch the transfer case. Make a sleeve (you have a mill, though might need a lathe) to mate the output shaft directly to a Corvette or Jaguar diff. A little longer than a "real" transaxle, especially if you use an auto trans, but not to bad. There were a few lakes roadsters with similar setups, or land speed roadsters. Use an axle and steering system like one of the "snub nose" sixties trucks and sit over the front wheels, or at least with your legs between them. Now THAT would be a cool car!
The other alternative is to use an 80s Toronado/ElDorado transaxle -- when those cars used the "corporate" (SBC) 350. You can find an adapter for the AMC to SBC transaxle, and the TH-350 based transaxle can be beefed up to handle the load easy enough. Would be better than the TH-400 transaxle as far as weight is concerned. That would make for a bit shorter car, but would require more suspension work in the rear. The Jag or 'vette rear suspension is pretty easy. I haven't looked at a late Toro/ElDo.
I have a 70s MOTOR'S manual with that suspension (TH-400 trans). It uses conventional looking uppar and lower A-arms. No springs -- the lower arm pivots on a torsion bar. The easy way to use that setup is by cutting an original frame and welding it into the new frame. Narrowing would require cutting half shafts (or using shorter ones). 80s and later Chilton's manuals generally suck -- not enough illustrations or text on most things. But there is a pic of the Toro/Eldo/Riv transaxle. It's basically the same as the older one except for TH-350 based instead of 400. Check for "E" body Toro/Eldo/Riv (Riviera), and also the Olds Trofeo (don't think I've ever seen one of those). 79-85 used an Olds 307, 350, 350 diesel, or 4.1L V-6 (larger version of the 231 -- I wonder if SBC pattern?) and the longitudinal transaxle. Might be harder to get an adapter for the Olds bolt pattern, but those might use an SBC pattern -- at least the V-6 (which wasn't popular -- hard to find I'm sure). Th!
ese use
d a torsion bar suspension similar to the older cars also. No pic, but it does go into replacing torsion bars in a similar fashion as with the older ones. 86 and later are all transverse engines.
---------original message--------------------------
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:40:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod // backwards six
Well I didn't expect so many ideas from my hare-brained project
thunking... but I think when all is said and done, that if I
do decide to make a rod it will be conventional front engine,
rear drive, for the simple reason it is a no-brainer to assemble
with standard parts, and I can keep it all AMC, and that I have
a lot of the hard parts right now in my pile.
I guess I've decided that I want to build the Navarro test mule
motor into a hot rod; that I can make a Z exhaust pipe to get it
literally out of my face; that more usual hot rod chassis stuff
will be OK (I might afford to actually build and complete it).
<snip>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 02:47:09 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] FW: 390 available in PA
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I don't have any first hand knowledge of this, forwarded message below!
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From: Jimjam186@xxxxxxx
To: farna@xxxxxxx
Cc: Jimjam186@xxxxxxx
Subject: 390
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 01:16:06 +0000
> Frank, Upon searching for parts for my American I came across a guy who at
> one time had 40 AMC cars. In his life 3 SCRamblers. Saw pictures. Has a
> 390 that he said is out of a Ambass, I dont know. Engine is totally complete.
> Air conditioning compressor, fan, alt, log manifolds, carb,everything is
> there. Located in western PA. He wants a 1 Thousand dollars and from talking
> to him he wont move on price . He told me 1 thousand period. His name is
> Keith. His phone number is 724 352 1273. From what I saw I think this is the
> real deal. Engine is located in Saxonburg PA. My name is Jim Gurall.
> Phone 724 368 9789. Hope this helps someone
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:19:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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" From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
"
"
" If I were going Mid Engine With and AMC, I would get
" the Fwd TH400 from an Olds Toronado and mount it out
" back behind the engine.
"
" Does that have the same Bolt pattern as the FSJ TH400
" before they adapted an actual AMC Bolt Pattern?
nope, they were b-o-p standard.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 00:06:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod // backwards six
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610040406.k94460P13526@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
"
" On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, Sandwich Maker wrote:
"
" > what tranny are ya gonna run? my bellhousing could set you up for a
" > t-10... [or an amc-pattern richmond 5sp. they never nade an amc ver
" > of the 6sp, but it looks enough like their 5sp i bet inputs swap.]
"
" If I use the Navarro motor, it's a 66 block, hence old 196/Nash
" pattern. That limits my choices, or I'd have to adapt. I haven't
" looked at that angle; most people never bother for the usual
" AMC reasons (old blocks are not usually worth the effort, etc).
with that pattern you have few choices if you don't want to adapt.
t96 or t14 with the common stick bell
t86 or t15 with the rarer hd bell
amc t10, amc richmond 5sp with 'mexican' bell
aluminum warner - t36 et al
iron warner - m10 et al
early jeep [buick nailhead] th400 with adapter ring
there are probably jeep setups for heavy gearboxes like t-18s, which i
haven't counted.
" I have a 1975 T14 with Laycock de Normanville electric OD;
" I really want to use this transmission. I'm probably the only
" person who likes 3-speeds and who likes the separate, unweildy
" OD. I have zero (0) interest in racing or constantly stirring
" gears in a close box. It would be a light car!
nb. the wide ratio amc t-10 has a 1st equal to the t14's, 2.64 iirc.
" The Navarro engine and the T14/OD are not compatible directly,
" therefore it's TBD at this point.
ummm if the 't14' and a '60s bell aren't compatible, what you have is
more likely a ford t150 toploader; the t14 has the same nose as a t96
and bolts straight up to the '60s t96 bell. and while the t150 with
laycock o/d was well known, i've never heard of a t14 with one.
does your tranny have a 9-bolt top cover, with notches in the front
corners? wide 8.5" x 6.5" bolt pattern? that's a t150.
there were rare t14s in '68-9 with the warner r10 o/d.
" > with gear drive the cam is not reversed;
"
" Are there not two-gear drive sets that do reverse? I know most
" of them have a double-idler to retain rotation. Anyhoo, it's
" moot at this point, for me.
for the amc six i've only heard of the mopar performance multi-gear
setup which doesn't reverse the cam, and iirc it's now discontinued.
but what i meant is that a two-gear drive would leave the cam turning
forward if the crank was reversed. no special cam needed.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:18:52 -0600
From: "Ron Akerman" <amc70jav@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 390 & 4 spd Trans - How much does it weigh?
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I'm considering buying a complete 390 from carb to pan with a complete T-10
Trans & shifter
including clutch & bellhousing. It has an alum intake and the heads are cast
iron. I need to get an
accurate weight to get a shipping quote. Any members ever shipped a package
like this across country?
Thanks in advance for any help.
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 00:20:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod // backwards six
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610040420.k944KxD13613@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: farna@xxxxxxx
"
" 4.1L V-6 (larger version of the 231 -- I wonder if SBC pattern?)
they're both buicks, with the b-o-p pattern. some time in the mid
'80s, fwd 3.8s started using the little gm pattern that the amc four
has, but only in transverse apps afaik.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:21:34 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Rambler Hot Rod con't
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The PORSCHE 928 of the 80s' - 90s'
has a transaxle & torque tube leading
to the front engined V8.
came in Automatics & Std. Trans
versions.
Std. Trans. cars would knock out the
torque tube bearings - trans. is a
ZF ? - so they're around as parts.
Design in a full IRS for the mid-engine
Roadster - not a swing axle design -
.....and really wide grippy rear tires
[ not saying anything you don't know
but these things get "Hairy" at the
slightest ]
Is this a 2 passanger / side by side
config. or fighter plane style seating ?
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 00:28:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610040428.k944Seo13730@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
"
" On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, Sandwich Maker wrote:
"
" > " http://www.cacklefest.com/images/striping-002.jpg
" > "
" > " (Note distance motor to axle CL)
" >
" > couldn't see much. does the halibrand put the gearbox behind the
" > axle? unless it does i don't see how it could be much different than
" > the c5 setup.
"
" Yeah, I'm not sure those pics are the right rear anyways.
" I don't have photos of the #50 transaxle, but I recall it being
" VERY short, even shorter than the back-of-block-to-axle photo
" above indicates.
that suggests the gearbox behind the axle. if so, the c5 transaxle
would add about a foot to your wheelbase - but does it really matter?
or you could adapt a porsche g50 box, as john widiker mentioned. it's
laid out very much like the halibrand and very strong, though at
porsche prices probably not much cheaper.
i don't know about the a500 box, save that it's a transaxle.
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