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Today's Topics:
1. Mid Engine d Hot Rod (Brien Tourville)
2. Re: AMC Hot Rod (Jim Blair)
3. Re: rambler hot rod (Jim Blair)
4. Re: rambler hot rod (Jim Blair)
5. Re: rambler hot rod (Jim Blair)
6. Re: rambler hot rod (Sandwich Maker)
7. 327 for sale (still) in Seattle $100 (Jim Blair)
8. 327 for sale (still) in Seattle $100 (Jim Blair)
9. Nash question (russ hathaway)
10. Poy bushings (russ hathaway)
11. tremclad (russ hathaway)
12. Re: rambler hot rod (Sandwich Maker)
13. Re: rambler hot rod (Sandwich Maker)
14. 77-78 Gremlin grill & misc wanted (Eddie Stakes)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 08:48:05 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Mid Engine d Hot Rod
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If you're sold on midengine, get the engine
and
transaxle from a front wheel drive car you like and mount it behind
the
driver. My $.02 Don
=== ===
here's my buckets worth:
take a hammer - place it on a cleared table.
spin the hammer - try to make a circle.
you can't.
when all that weight breaks loose it
takes you off the road - out of control
backwards or sideways.
check the PORSCHE Magazine for a
parts seller - he usually takes out
a full page - with the picture of a 911
parts car display.
last one I saw had a Tree come thru
the drivers door.
I swapped ends one evening in
Moms' '64 356 C coupe when
the rear suspension unloaded
over a gentle roadway rise.
I don't like riding in old VWs since.
My 'Hot Rod' of the future build
will be akin to an early 1960s
'Cigar' style Formula 1 car -
front engined based around a
dirt tracker generic frame:
a great profiler and 'Trust-Worthy'.
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:34:38 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod
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A: I ran a Chevy 2 rear axle upside down for several months and except for
the trans whine (I had to run in reverse to go forwards) I had no probs. I
made a new breather hole and plugged the old one, then filled the diff
through the new breather till oil covered things enough. Sounded like a I
had a blower on the car!
Real fun was being able to drive backwards at 60 mph with 2 speeds! (I
had the front jacked up to match the rear with a straight axle) The things
we do when we are young, bored, inexperienced and no-one told us it couldn't
be done!
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I'm not sure the diff would run long upside down. The gears
wouldn't be riding in oil with the pinion near the top. But then
there are axles made that way -- wonder if they have anything in
them to pull oil up top? Probably not -- should be plenty splash
oiling with the ring gear running in oil.
To change rotation on a Corvair (or VW/Prsche) transaxle is easy
-- put the ring gear on the opposite side. The way those are
made they flip over easy. I didn't know if an adapter was needed
or not, just that SBCs have been mated to the Corvair transaxle.
--
Frank Swygert
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:37:03 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
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On the 6 cyl, you'd just use a Chev 6 cyl dist and cut the drive gears on
the cam to match! <G>
From: Peter Marano <PMarano@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
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>
>Except for the oil pump and distributor (vacc. advance,
>lubrication), I can't think of a reason not to run the engine
>the other direction (requires new cam of course).
>
>
>
Two things come to mind:
Bearing journals are polished in the direction of rotation (or
at least
they used to be). The oil seal journal on the rear of the
crankshaft
has directional knurling. I think the front seal has a
directional
pattern molded in.
The new cam would require a reverse rotation distributor drive
gear (and
driven gear) which would turn the distributor and oil pump in
the
'normal' direction. This would allow the thrust on the
distributor drive
to hold the camshaft in the block. Reverse rotation SBC are
common
enough that an engine builder should know what to do. Is the
SBC cam
gear the same as the inline AMC six? If a cam grinder can't cut
the
reverse rotation gear on an AMC cam a gear drive would reverse
the
rotation of the cam.
Peter Marano
Kenosha WI
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:37:35 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
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PS: Then the oil pump wouldn't need changing!
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 09:55:02 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
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A: Now that I see the original post, some things are a little clearer.
My take:
Front axle should be a Dana 60 (or maybe 9". Dana 44 if not too much power
is made) flipped from a 4x4. D30 won't take much power to kill if it's the
only drive axle.
OR
Rear motor facing forwards using Jeep 727 trans and NP208 tcase from a CJ10
tug shifted to 4 high (I drove my '83 Cherokee for several months this way
with no rear driveshaft) The one from a tug is built stronger than a regular
Jeep one (wider chain, etc) as they are used to move planes on the tarmack
with a Nissan diesel.
Balancing the weight/power will be the toughest part. Too bad the Tornado
didn't come with a Nailhead motor. Then you could use an FSJ adapter ring
from a TH400 to bolt it up!
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
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So I've been thinking and drawing over the last year or so ideas
for a rambler hot rod. Six cylinder, sort of "old style" rod,
track-roadster-ish. Two seats. Open wheels (motorcycle-type
fenders), no doors, no roof.
I really want a mid-engine car, but Hallibrand transaxles are
out of my range, but I think I've come up with a scheme for a
rear engine, front drive car, using a jeep or eagle front axle.
I do have this Navarro-built turbo six... but it's not a
requirement, and might not be appropriate to run in the street.
The big chunks lay out OK for a 104" plus or minus wheelbase.
The
main problem is engine/front axle rotation and offset. I have
only a Haynes manual for Jeep, though I've seen 'em. I'm only
at the planning stage (and it may never get past that).
Does anyone know:
* Rotation direction for the jeep or eagle front axle?
* How much offset, front driveshaft to centerline of the
car? Looks like 6 - 8" from my crappy drawings.
Big HP isn't a goal, so driveline strength isn't an issue. It
goes without saying it'll be all AMC.
I figure standard hotrod kitcar junk for the rest of it. Weight
distribution won't be all that great (heavy rear), eh, I'm
not racing.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:57:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx
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" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" On the 6 cyl, you'd just use a Chev 6 cyl dist and cut the drive gears on
" the cam to match! <G>
tell the grinder to put a chev 6 drive gear on the cam...
" PS: Then the oil pump wouldn't need changing!
this is imho the bigger deal. the dist can be made to spin the other
way; the total of postwar gm v8s are split about evenly cw - ccw. i'm
not saying it would be easy, just that all the parts are available.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:00:07 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 327 for sale (still) in Seattle $100
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The other guy backed out. It's from a '66ish Wagoneer. It had PS on it (PS
brackets were removed before I got the motor, but they look the same as
later AMC V8 brackets I found in my collection) Was running when pulled last
spring. I moved stuff around to get my truck into the storage locker and had
to put it in the back so I could close the door, and the extra weight bulged
my tire's sidewall just enough that when I backed up, it caught on the leg
of my press and ripped it open! (33/12.50/16.5s don't grow on trees around
here either!)
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:02:20 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 327 for sale (still) in Seattle $100
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PS: Includes exhaust manifolds, alt and bracket (still attached) and
starter/flexplate for TH400. (don't have the adapter ring or I'd be tempted
to put it in something)
The other guy backed out. It's from a '66ish Wagoneer. It had PS on it (PS
brackets were removed before I got the motor, but they look the same as
later AMC V8 brackets I found in my collection) Was running when pulled last
spring. I moved stuff around to get my truck into the storage locker and had
to put it in the back so I could close the door, and the extra weight bulged
my tire's sidewall just enough that when I backed up, it caught on the leg
of my press and ripped it open! (33/12.50/16.5s don't grow on trees around
here either!)
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:26:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Nash question
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I looked at a 41 Nash at a swap meet, real nice
original business coupe.
The distributor comes out the top of the head, when
did Nash discontinue this method of providing spark?.....Russ
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:41:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Poy bushings
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Russell; I have complete poly suspension on both my 70
AMX and American (65 440 with SC/Rambler suspension).
They do not squeek, period! I have put the same
bushings on my Hornet but I am still working on it, so
it sits.
My AMX was done maybe 4 years ago, my American two.
I greased em up real good prior to installation. If it
called for a dollop of grease, I gave it two. I
twisted the bushings to seat them and kept things
clean during installation. After the job was done I
wiped off the excess.
My American gets driven year round, it is no garage
queen. My AMX get parked in the garage during the
winter but it has seen its share of rain. To this day
neither of them squeek.
I did have door alignment problems with the AMX at
first and had to realign them, but that is all.
With the fat sway bars, Koni shocks, sub frame
connectors and polys it rides real firm and handles
nice, expect the same depending on how deep you go
into the polys.
My neighbor says it rides too rough, but he drives an
Impala boat........Russ
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] tremclad
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That article has got my brain a-swirling. Have you
priced just the primor lately? And a good paint will
run $60 a gallon easy. Add up everything needed and
$300 isn't too far out of the ball park for just bare
bones.
Self leveling, how does that work on the doors, do I
need to lean the car up against my bosses shop.
He doesn't work on week-ends, maybe that will when I
can do it.....Russ
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:03:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
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" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" A: Now that I see the original post, some things are a little clearer.
"
" My take:
" Front axle should be a Dana 60 (or maybe 9". Dana 44 if not too much power
" is made) flipped from a 4x4. D30 won't take much power to kill if it's the
" only drive axle.
imho a d60 would be monstrous overkill for a little light track car. i
agree about the d30 though.
" OR
" Rear motor facing forwards using Jeep 727 trans and NP208 tcase from a CJ10
" tug shifted to 4 high (I drove my '83 Cherokee for several months this way
" with no rear driveshaft) The one from a tug is built stronger than a regular
" Jeep one (wider chain, etc) as they are used to move planes on the tarmack
" with a Nissan diesel.
the nissan was also available in dodge pickups about then, so i
wouldn't be surprised if the t/c is a np208d. one of the tricks for
beefing a jeep nv231 t/c is to use 231d dodge sprockets and chain, as
they're wider then the 231j parts.
i don't think an auto trans would take kindly to being spun backeards
though - unless you're talking about projecting fwd of the axle and
driving it from the front. but if you're thinking of this --
" Balancing the weight/power will be the toughest part. Too bad the Tornado
" didn't come with a Nailhead motor. Then you could use an FSJ adapter ring
" from a TH400 to bolt it up!
-- then why not project the driveline back behind the rear axle and
use a t/c to reverse direction and drive the axle from the back?
offset the engine/tranny to the right and place them so the tailshaft
is about over [or under?] the axle. strip the t/c of everything it
doesn't need, low range for a start. maybe make a custom case with
only the sprockets and chain. divorce it from the tranny and put it
on short driveshafts from the tranny and to the axle.
imho the axle would work best if the diff were also offset, to the
left. start with something like a narrow-track cj quadratrac d44;
it's probably offset the wrong way so pull the tubes off and swap
them. i'd also suggest pressing them back onto a high-pinion ford
front chuck; hypoid r&p are stronger pushing than pulling. or just
call one of the custom axle places like currie and hand 'em your
specs.
or you could use/make a d44-based irs, like the jag or corvette [or
viper?].
" From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
"
" So I've been thinking and drawing over the last year or so ideas
" for a rambler hot rod. Six cylinder, sort of "old style" rod,
" track-roadster-ish. Two seats. Open wheels (motorcycle-type
" fenders), no doors, no roof.
"
" I really want a mid-engine car, but Hallibrand transaxles are
" out of my range, but I think I've come up with a scheme for a
" rear engine, front drive car, using a jeep or eagle front axle.
wasn't there a relatively-recent corvette that had a transaxle? they
oughta be showing up in junkyards...
just noodling... but what about a cord-like layout, where the driver
and passenger sit mostly behind the engine but almost between the rear
wheels?
" I do have this Navarro-built turbo six... but it's not a
" requirement, and might not be appropriate to run in the street.
i think if you don't get weight/power distribution right, this engine
would be a big mistake. likely a handful even if you do get it
right...
" The big chunks lay out OK for a 104" plus or minus wheelbase.
the cord approach would probably shoot the wheelbase up. it'd be
novel though! thought: doesn't the jeep liberty [ugh] have ifs?
" Big HP isn't a goal, so driveline strength isn't an issue. It
" goes without saying it'll be all AMC.
you'd have to make a custom bellhousing adapter, but a midengine
kitcar-modified corvair transaxle/irs might fit the bill. iirc it's
saginaw made, so i'd guess perhaps 250 ft-lbs for a design limit.
" I figure standard hotrod kitcar junk for the rest of it. Weight
" distribution won't be all that great (heavy rear), eh, I'm
" not racing.
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adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:51:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rambler hot rod
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" From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
"
"
" " From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
" "
" " []
" "
" " I really want a mid-engine car, but Hallibrand transaxles are
" " out of my range, but I think I've come up with a scheme for a
" " rear engine, front drive car, using a jeep or eagle front axle.
"
" wasn't there a relatively-recent corvette that had a transaxle? they
" oughta be showing up in junkyards...
found it! the '97-'04 c5... pic of the transaxle going into a camaro
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/davidesenia/CorvetteSuspensionSwap.jpg
it's apparently a warner t56 coupled to a d44. there are aftermkt
diff housings...
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:14:58 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 77-78 Gremlin grill & misc wanted
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I need a grille for a 77/78 gremlin. Also need black interior parts. And a
v8 crossmember, T-10 trans and model 20 that will fit the gremlin. My
gremlin is a 77 Gremlin X with an original 258 and 4 speed. THank you.
Vinnie javelinamx1791@xxxxxxx 1-262-662-3007
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Eddie Stakes'
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