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Today's Topics:
1. Re: vote for Mel Valentine's AMX (Jeff Reeves)
2. AMC Siting (JOE FULTON)
3. Alternative to Carter for Spirit GT (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
4. Charity AMX? (tbenvie@xxxxxxxxxxx)
5. Re: Alternative to Carter for Spirit GT (Tom Jennings)
6. Re: Alternative to Carter for Spirit GT (Sandwich Maker)
7. Alternative to Carter for AMC Spirit (JOE FULTON)
8. Good running 360 for sale (Joe)
9. Re: Alternative to Carter for AMC Spirit (Tom Jennings)
10. TransGo transmission kits (Tom Jennings)
11. Eagle Engine Marble Game (Brien Tourville)
12. Re: Alternative to Carter for AMC Spirit (Tom Jennings)
13. Holley 2 bbl for AMC 258 - epilogue (Brian Nelson Architect)
14. Re: 83 Spirit u-joint question. (Glenn Ford)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:08:21 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Jeff Reeves <amcnut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] vote for Mel Valentine's AMX
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If you saw a power steering pump under the hood of Mel's car, I hate to say you're seeing things.
Mel's car has an Armstrong power steering system, which means you have to have arms that are strong since the car has no power steering!! (I know, I've driven the car)
That odd device you see is, I think, the factory smog pump that came on all 4-speed equipped cars.
Jeff Reeves
Auburn, GA
94 Cherokee
79 Spirit GT
72 Javelin SST
69 Ambassador DPL
Message: 3
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:08:31 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Vote for Mel Valentine's AMX In Hemmings Muscle
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Just a for the record, what year did AMC start using the power steering pump shown in the "under the hood" photo of Mel's AMX? I'm not used to see that pump under the hood of a '69. I have a 70 Jav with the "other" style pump and a 70 Hornet with the newer, what gives?
Jack
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 06:43:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Siting
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The new show on NBC "Heroes" showed the blonde Mom who
owed the money to the sharks escaping from the sharks
in a primer black AMC Gremlin (which belched blue
smoke).
I only had the show on as background noise while
wrapping Ebay items last night .......really. Honest.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:00:54 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Alternative to Carter for Spirit GT
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List)
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83 Spirit 258 2bbl:
Okay, so an early 318 2bbl carb, sounds good, but let me ask this, what about a slant six 2bbl? The 318 would be jetted for larger cubes and the 225 "super six" carb, I would think, should be jetted more conservatively. Does it share the same intake pattern? One could always play with jet sizing and there has to be a ton of those carbs out there somewhere.
83 Spirit u-joint question.
Let me try to communicate clearly, this is a stretch for me. The rear u-joint slides side to side in the differential yoke as if the cross is too short (narrow) by .075 to .100". It slides between the two retainer tabs on the yoke, thump, thump. I'll pull it and take it with to Autozone/O'reilly's/Advanced Auto/Kunz Bro's and see if the one the book calls for is the same as what I carry in.
Jack
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:48:55 +0000
From: tbenvie@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Charity AMX?
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A number of years ago I donated a 1970 AMX as a project car that came to be known as the "Charity AMX". This came about after discussions on the AMC-List about restoring a car as a "list project", and everyone was talking about ways to do it, they just didn't have a car. My daughter spent endless weeks in Children's Hospital in Boston at the time, so I donated the car with the understanding that all proceeds from the car go to Children's Hospital to help families deal with a variety of problems (I live about 20 miles away and it was very hard on my family. This hospital is world renowned, and people come from all over the world to get treatment here. It is difficult to find a place to stay, park your car, even to buy toiletries and food, let alone the tremendous emotion of having a sick child). With a lot of hype, the car left Boston and headed south and has visited Florida, Georgia, Texas, and Wisconsin. At each stop, more and more was done to make this a show car. A!
t first
, people donated time, money, and parts and it got off to a great start. But now what? It is still in Wisconsin, with no place to go, nobody (outside of the few in Wisconsin who have it now) seems to be interested in finishing the car. It is like the project is dead. This is partly due to the fact the people who put themselves in charge have dropped the ball-for whatever reason, but the ball has been dropped. This is a shame.
I would like the car back to finish this project as planned. The Barret Jackson auction is in a few months and I would like it done by then so it can be shown and sold at this show. Surely there is enough money in the budget to transport it back to Mass. Though the New England AMC Club has passed on (another sad story) there are still enough members local to me who want to get this finished and will help out. I am still AMC-less so have a spot in the garage for the car and will be happy to post updates as the project moves along. There are just a few months left as the Auction is the second week of January.
This would also be a time to ask for monetary donations. There are some charities I give to every year, so for those who already gave once, please do it again. Let's get this thing finished!
--
Thomas M. Benvie
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:51:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Alternative to Carter for Spirit GT
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, jackbarncord@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Okay, so an early 318 2bbl carb, sounds good, but let me ask this, what about a slant six 2bbl? The 318 would be jetted for larger cubes and the 225 "super six" carb, I would think, should be jetted more conservatively. Does it share the same intake pattern? One could always play with jet sizing and there has to be a ton of those carbs out there somewhere.
Here's my personal (Your Mileage May Vary) take on used carbs.
--> They're all 30+ years old. Buy a new one! :-)
Even rebuilds are a problem; places like Tomco flooded the
market with crap work done on lousy cores. Being a really
critical part, you want a good one. If you can find a good
one (I hunted for used Chry carbs to no avail here) go for it
of course.
But I seem to have problems finding stuff like this in socal,
that people in the east (U.S.) don't. I think it's two-fold:
one, there's more AMCs sold east than west; and cars end up
in yards due to rot out there, where here, cars get driven
(no salt, no rust) til they stop running.
I ended up with a Weber -- used from eBay. But it was a Jeep
Weber conversion, so it was 5? or whatever years old, not 30.
> Let me try to communicate clearly, this is a stretch
> for me. The rear u-joint slides side to side in the
> differential yoke as if the cross is too short (narrow) by
> .075 to .100". It slides between the two retainer tabs on
Wrong part!!
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:58:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Alternative to Carter for Spirit GT
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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" From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
"
" 83 Spirit 258 2bbl:
"
" Okay, so an early 318 2bbl carb, sounds good, but let me ask this, what
" about a slant six 2bbl? The 318 would be jetted for larger cubes and
" the 225 "super six" carb, I would think, should be jetted more
" conservatively. Does it share the same intake pattern? One could
" always play with jet sizing and there has to be a ton of those carbs
" out there somewhere.
yes, they have the same intake and aircleaner.
the 318 carter also has slightly larger venturii than the amc and i'd
expect the slant one.
i don't know if they went to a holley on the sixes as well as the
318s, but i di know they kept the 2bbl slant in production almost
through the '80s, long after the 318 replaced its bbd with a holley.
i don't think the 225's carter would be different enough from the amc
to be worth anything except as a trade-in core.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:34:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Alternative to Carter for AMC Spirit
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Tom J. said:
Even rebuilds are a problem; places like Tomco flooded
the
market with crap work done on lousy cores. Being a
really
critical part, you want a good one. If you can find a
good
one (I hunted for used Chry carbs to no avail here) go
for it
of course.
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I just bought a non-feedback rebuilt BBD carb for my
77 Gremlin. The car still has to pass smog since it's
a 77 model and I wanted to replace the original carb
for that reason. I have not had the car on the road
yet, but it seems to run much better than with the old
carb which needed a rebuild. I ususally rebuild my
own carbs, but with the many complaints about the BBD
carb, I wanted one with a "lifetime" warranty. I
bought the carb from National Carburetor (in Florida I
think). It remains to be seen whether they will honor
the warranty if needed.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:48:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe <jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Good running 360 for sale
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Real good running 360 with Edelbrock Performer intake
for sale. Located in central Illinois. $350.Removed
about JUNE from a 1987 Grand Wagoneer. Have the
TQflite 4x4 trans available also for $100. WAs going
to drop it into my V8 Gremlin project,then the machine
shop FINALLY got my 401 machined. The 401 had been
there over SIX months, actually since Feb!!. Please
email me at Jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx or call my cell
309-338-3210. Thanks,Joe
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:52:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Alternative to Carter for AMC Spirit
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, JOE FULTON wrote:
> I just bought a non-feedback rebuilt BBD carb for my
> 77 Gremlin. The car still has to pass smog since it's
> a 77 model and I wanted to replace the original carb
> for that reason. I have not had the car on the road
> yet, but it seems to run much better than with the old
> carb which needed a rebuild. I ususally rebuild my
> own carbs, but with the many complaints about the BBD
> carb, I wanted one with a "lifetime" warranty. I
> bought the carb from National Carburetor (in Florida I
> think). It remains to be seen whether they will honor
> the warranty if needed.
Well that's not good news. I was hoping National was as goodf
as they sounded -- didn't someone here have good experiences with
them?
But we all need to become (or find) good carb experts, since
they're as backwards today as hand-cranked engines or vacuum
tube radios.
I'm very, very happy with my Weber, and would buy another one
in a minute (though not cheap), but it's definitely a dying
art, and I wonder at per persistence (and also at the lack of
a decent bolt-on TBI carb replacement).
> I ususally rebuild my
> own carbs, but with the many complaints about the BBD
> carb, I wanted one with a "lifetime" warranty.
After I bought my used Weber, I realized that most of my
carb-rebuild difficulties was because I was starting out with
a ruined, unrebuildable core! I've had old, old cars for so
long I didn't notice. The Weber was in fine shape, with a few
exceptions (worn squirter lever).
After 30 years of use, they're generally all worn out, rattly
throttle shafts, pits, corrosion, subtly mis-shaped emulsion
tubes, faintly bent tapered jet rods, .... if you were rebuilding
a 1980 carburetor in say 1985, it would be a no-brainer, like
it used to be.
I had a big pile of junk BBDs, tryin to assemble a good one
for my Hornet (before I gave up and bought the Weber).
I had 4 - 5 of them, and every one had severe problems.
But it wasn't a complex carb at all. If one had been
not-ruined, it would have been an easy rebuild.
Is it just Rambler-mentality, that we balk at buying a new carb
for $150 - $200 when we easily and knowingly spend that much on
brakes, whatever? (I think it's more that, I am clinging to the
outmoded idea that a decent carb can be had for cheap, still.)
I'm still planning on making stickers for the Hornet ("Rambler
Hornet" "4300cc" etc) and for the last few days have been
thinking I might add an italicised "carbureted" -- it sounds
today as exotic as "fuel injected" once did!
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 09:57:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] TransGo transmission kits
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Has anyone personally installed a TransGo kit in a
Torqueflite? I've got the mildest one installed now (by the
rebuilder, last year) but I really miss the semi-manual behavior
and the hard shifts that I had in my Gremlin.
I have to drop the pan to fix the leaky gasket (like an idiot
I used silicone) anyways.
I assume the valve body has to come off, but what's the F.U. rate
on these kits?
(I have all the right tools: 4lb hammer, 6lb hammer, chisel,
pipe wrench, pry bar, monkey wrench, 3/4" drive set, sawzall...)
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:18:20 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Eagle Engine Marble Game
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From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Re-Build or Replace?
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> sure the 'rear end noise' isn't the rear u-joint? spider gears only do
> anything when the car is turning. as for 'conventional', the jeep axles
> are essentially the same as the eagles - hence the swap potential.
>
> did you change the bearings and seals because of the noise?
What he said :-)
> i can't guess at the engine noise but it sure doesn't sound good.
R U sure it's not something like the AIR pump, power steerin
pump, bad alternator, bad water pump bearings? They can all
make a lot of irritating noise.
=== ===
I agree ! Isolate the noise - use a simple rolled up piece
of cardboard to your ear - or - stethoscope if you have one -
Eagles and Jeeps of that era > some have lifter bleed down
problems > mine did > knocked one thousand off the price
because of a collapsed lifter > which pumped up shortly before
negotiations .
but - a bag of marbles sounds a lot like that AIR pump thing or
power steering etc.
If the engine is running well - oil pressure is good - these last
for 250 K a lot of the time.
Brien Tourville
NEW YORK
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:28:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Alternative to Carter for AMC Spirit
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> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, JOE FULTON wrote:
>
> > I just bought a non-feedback rebuilt BBD carb for my
> > 77 Gremlin. ...
> > I
> > bought the carb from National Carburetor (in Florida I
> > think). It remains to be seen whether they will honor
> > the warranty if needed.
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006, Tom Jennings wrote:
> Well that's not good news. I was hoping National was as goodf
> as they sounded -- didn't someone here have good experiences with
> them?
I mis-read Joe's statement as a problem with the National carb.
My bad!
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:53:02 -0700
From: Brian Nelson Architect <bonarch@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Holley 2 bbl for AMC 258 - epilogue
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I made this swap on the suggestion of my mechanic, when I first got the
Spirit. It seemed to be a good carb for the engine and dropped on perfectly
(required a simple linkage mod only) - even the body of the casting appeared
to be identical to the Carter. I did put a kit in after about a year - I
don't remember what precipitated that, but it cured whatever the problem was
and I ran it hard (Trans Canada Hwy through the Rockies) many times. It got
very good mileage (24 imp. mpg), started effortlessly, idled perfectly,
jumped off the line, and seemed to have an unlimited top end. Swapping out
the mechanical fan also made a significant improvement - perhaps more than
the Holley. The little Spirit seemed to easily pass everything on the
uphills, without trying.
Certainly it was not too large for the I6. I would have liked to try out a
Weber, but this swap was readily available, and cost $35. I think that the
kit was an outrageous $40.
My experience was very good - your results may vary.
B. Nelson
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:04:07 -0600
From: "Glenn Ford" <gcmford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 83 Spirit u-joint question.
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Jack, if the u-joint fits the driveshaft ok, but is slop-fit in the yoke,
you probably have a driveshaft from a different model, or the rear end has
been changed out. Your trip to Autozone should tell you which by the size of
the correct u-joint.
Myself, I just changed out a u-joint that had broken needle bearings because
previous owner did not put one cap behind the tab, probably because one
needle fell to the bottom of the cup before installing. Ran ok, but slightly
out of balance. I didn't think anyone could mess up like that, without being
pretty drunk or stoned when installing it.
I've seen a lot, but not everything, yet. Hoping not to find any more
surprises on my Eagle. Still have to fix where someone welded crossmember
instead of repairing the broken stud in sub-frame.
Glenn Ford in Warburg Alberta.
'85 and '87 Wagoneer Limiteds (XJ), 2-'87 Eaglewagons ( 1-auto, 1-Limited
T-5)
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