AMC-List Digest, Vol 7, Issue 34
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Today's Topics:
1. pair mirrors for sale (Eddie Stakes)
2. 67 Rebel parts wanted (Eddie Stakes)
3. 69 Javelin for sale (Eddie Stakes)
4. twin grip; torque links; disc brake; radiator core for sale
(Eddie Stakes)
5. 76 Pacer for sale (Eddie Stakes)
6. 69/70 Javelin parts wanted (Eddie Stakes)
7. 68-69 Javelin project cars wanted (Eddie Stakes)
8. 65 Rambler American 2dr sedan For Sale (mine) Los Angeles
(Mike Kindle)
9. Strut rods '70 and up, probably more than you wanted to know.
(John Elle)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:48:22 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] pair mirrors for sale
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Am Racing Ent <sale@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Mirrors Remote w/ cable Left & Right for Ramble or Javelin,, can be fit for
right angle on base, not sure about the right Car model but in very good
condition, picture avalaible, 100$ including freight! Pierre Bochamp
sale@xxxxxxxxxxxx 514 990 2691
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anyone interested in the mirrors above give Pierre a shout, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:47:21 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 67 Rebel parts wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Steve <stevo1264@xxxxxxxxx>
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Looking for a complete set of 1967 Rebel SST door panels in red preferebly
but will consider other colors. Also need 2 piece A/C dash pad. Thanks as
usual for the free ad Eddie..!! Steve Fales stevo1264@xxxxxxxxx
703-927-7991
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anyone that can help them above give them a shout, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:49:15 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 69 Javelin for sale
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: stude62hk@xxxxxxx
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1969 AMC Javelin. 290V8, auto trans, p/s p/b, tilt wheel. 102,000 miles.
Second owner. New restoration. Have new tires and new brakes. Very clean
car. $10,500.00 obo. Contact me at 801-985-4411 or Jay Clarke
stude62hk@xxxxxxx
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anyone interested in the Javelin above give them a shout, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:50:31 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] twin grip; torque links; disc brake; radiator core
for sale
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Michael C. Baumberger" <baumbergers@xxxxxxxx>
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FOR SALE: 3.15 posi rear end from a 68 AMX. $350. Torque links for AMX. $80.
Javelin/AMX front cross member $50. Trans cross member $25. Disk brake front
end, spindles out. $100. Javelin/AMX core support. complete. $150.
Eddie,thanks for the space. Mike Baumberger baumbergers@xxxxxxxx
805-440-7724
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anyone interested in any above give Mike a shout, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:51:17 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 76 Pacer for sale
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: GWHT@xxxxxxxxxxx
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For Sale: 1976 AMC Pacer 258 6 cyl. automatic--tan with brown top--creme
interior in very nice shape--with the exception of the original AMC AM
radio--everything works great--AC blows ice cold--a few minor dings--two
minor dents--bumpers are outstanding--85,000 miles--all in all a great
looking Pacer that drives and handles the way a Pacer should! $4,900 (in
Potterville, Michigan-near Lansing) Gary Austin GWHT@xxxxxxxxxxx
517-645-7017
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anyone interested in the Pacer above give them a shout, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:53:28 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 69/70 Javelin parts wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: evilracing@xxxxxxx
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Does anyone have any hood scoop trim pieces for a 70 javelin hood? and
maybe the air cleaner stuff??? How about any headlight bezels for a 69
javelin? thanks Paul Kelly evilracing@xxxxxxx 701-784-5803
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anyone that can help out Paul give him a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:52:14 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 68-69 Javelin project cars wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: paul fiorino <paul.fiorino@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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WANTED 68 or 69 AMC JAVELIN PROJECT CARS.running or not,just as long as the
engine is complete.my e-mail is paul.fiorino@xxxxxxxxxxxxx THANK"S paul
fiorino 847-395-6991
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anyone with some project cars give Paul a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:14:20 -0700
From: "Mike Kindle" <mike90066@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 65 Rambler American 2dr sedan For Sale (mine) Los
Angeles
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I want it to go to a good home so I'm posting to the list first before it
goes on ebay or something.
I have attempted to put pictures on photobucket. We'll see if that works:
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m166/65rambler/
65 Rambler American 232-6 Automatic transmission.
I?ve just moved and have to cut back on projects so the car is for sale.
I?ve had this car for four or five years and it has been the most dependable
car I?ve owned. Always fires right up and has never stranded me. There has
always been a small rod-knock like sound on startup that goes away as the
oil gets going. I always let the car warm up good before driving and that
noise has remained unchanged since I?ve had the car.
The biggest issue is it has developed a new noise, which I think is a flex
plate going bad but it could be something else. There is an arrhythmic
noise on startup that quickly goes away and then a rattle when decelerating
from high RPM. I?ve been very gentle since the noise started, only short
trips.
The car has the 232 inline six cylinder engine with the 2 barrel Carter WCD
carb.
The car comes with a replacement front right fender and headlight surround
for the crunched corner. And I have a replacement windshield too. And I
have the front hubcaps which I took off when last doing the brakes. There
are new shoes all around, new wheel cylinders, and master cylinder. The
emergency brake works great. Gas gauge works.
I also completely removed, cleaned, and sealed the gas tank with the POR-15
kit.
The car has four new Goodyear Regatta 2 tires.
The previous owner took the drivers door panel off to try to fix the window
which had left its track. I fixed the window but haven?t put the door panel
back on. The door panel comes with.
The car has the usual floor rust under the driver?s foot and some under the
trunk mat.
Over the last four years it has driven all over Los Angeles, Northern
California, and up to Oregon through the mountains. The previous owner told
me ?it once belonged to the mother of the guy who played the other guy on
The Wonder Years.?
I'm asking $950. Flexible for a good home.
Thanks
Mike Kindle
323-630-9376
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:07:56 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Strut rods '70 and up, probably more than you
wanted to know.
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I have worked quite a bit with the '70 and up suspension, as far as
anything earlier I have pressed bushings etc. on parts brought over to
me. I have not actually repaired or restored a whole trunion suspension.
But,
The '70 suspension which uses the same brakes etc. as the '69 is unique.
The steering stop is part of the steering knuckle and bracket assy. The
strut rod just positions the lower control arm. As such the end that
bolts on to the control arm is different than anything newer. The newer
front ends, the steering stop is part of the strut rod. I have had to
replace a '70 strut rod as rust damage to the threads of the adjustments
were so sever that the part was destroyed. I was able to take a '71 or
newer, most probably from a Hornet, Spirit or Concord and my handy 6"
bench grinder and grind down the end that bolted onto the lower control
arm so that it looked like a '70 strut rod and it fit perfectly and got
the job done. Of course this means if you replace the drums or the
problem prone 4 piston Dunlop brakes with something newer you will loose
the steering stop. But if you also use the newer strut rod you should
get it back. The shape of the bend and the length appears to be the
same. This may differ if you are looking at a senior car as a donor. I
don't know that for sure as all of my Donor cars have been Hornets,
Concords and Spirits. I am still running the problem prone 4 piston
Dunlop brakes on my 1970 Javelin 'cause at the time they acted up I did
not know that I could install newer brakes on the car and spend a ton of
money buying replacement parts. I do however, have a set of 1980 Concord
brakes on the shelf that I will install if I have to.
I have also installed the lower ball joint from a '70+ AMC car such as a
Javelin or small cars on 68/69 trunion Javelin/AMX lower control arms by
re-drilling the holes in the mounting plate. This was done on a drill
press and I did not have a real problem in drilling through the mounting
plate. The cost difference between the 68/69 lower ball joint and the
'70+ is significant. The early lower control arm was used as a pattern
to locate the holes in the ball joint mounting plate.
There is a one piece strut bushing available for the 70+ strut rod. It
is shown in the '70 and '80 TSM that I have in the front suspension
section. I will be installing a set on at least one of my Hornets. I
personally prefer the 2 piece bushing as do most of the people that I
know. However they came with the package of parts that I ordered from
Kanter, they are paid for and I will use them.
Kanter delivered within 5 days from the order. They also included a new
catalog. I do not have any complaints about their service or the
products nor have I heard any from people that I know that have used
them.
I have taken a serious look at the 70+ lower control arm. It is a really
cheesy looking design. In stripping parts cars out for donor pieces the
lower control arms will have some creative and serious damage to them. A
lot of the damage comes from advanced neglect. However the upper control
arms seem to get by that o.k.
I suspect that most of the damage which is located at the bushing
mounting area is because the bushing only is fixed to one side of the
control arm. The other side has a small clearance. The adjustments of
the strut rod cause the lower control arm to pivot front to rear at the
bushing. If the bushing was to be fixed to both sides such as in welding
the bushing in there would be no give at that point and the control arm
would be forced to bend. This probably also adds excessive stress to the
strut rod bushing and mount causing problems there. There is also a
certain amount of give in the lower control arm rubber bushing. If you
replace it with a polyurethane piece which has no give, now you are once
again forcing all of the give to be at the control arm causing it to
bend. This excessive bending can cause the bushing mounting area to
crack in two and woggle out the clearance hole on the opposite side.
This now allows the bushing to fall out causing further damage. Neglect
with rubber going bad only aggravates the situation. Of course all of
this time the strut rod bushing and mount is not overly happy as the
excessive bending at the lower control arm impacts the operation of the
strut rod.
My gut feeling is that a significant portion of strut rod bushing
problems is caused by excessive wear and tear of the lower control arm
and or well intentioned efforts to re-enforce the pivot point of the
lower control arm causing the arm it self to bend and probably
aggravated by the installation of polyurethane bushings.
If the lower control arm can not pivot as designed, all attempts to
adjust alignment using the adjustable strut rod could get a bit iffy too
leading to the alignment adjustments not being stable or being able to
get good adjustments.
Now for the guy who wanted short sentences!
Use OEM replacement parts.
Install them correctly
Problems will be minimal
'gnite!
John
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