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Today's Topics:

   1. [Suspected Spam]81 Spirit parts wanted (Eddie Stakes)
   2. Car-washing ad (Paul Dwyer)
   3. Apathy (Michael Bailey)
   4. Re: Apathy (kimbueler@xxxxxxxxx)
   5. Matador Wagon Headers? (Richard Estermyer)
   6. Re: (no subject) (Michael Bailey)
   7. Correct 74 AMX Grill Paint Color (markskur1@xxxxxxx)
   8. Re: Correct 74 AMX Grill Paint Color (John Elle)
   9. Rust Remover - http://tinyurl.com/lmhxy - Testo-Moanials	-
      (Brien Tourville)
  10. Wanted (namdra@xxxxxxxx)
  11. Re: Rust Remover - http://tinyurl.com/lmhxy -	Testo-Moanials
      (John Elle)
  12. Re: apathy (Eddie Stakes)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:34:07 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] [Suspected Spam]81 Spirit parts wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: brendan barlow <taker20032@xxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <011101c6ba49$5c8e33c0$0ff4b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

The fellow below is looking for a number of Spirit (and Eagle/Concord) parts for his 'new' 81 Spirit. Chances are some of ya'll can hook him up, if you can, please feel free to give him a shout below and thanks in advance to all who may reply. 
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: brendan barlow    
taker20032@xxxxxxxxx 


where do you find parts for a 1981 spirit anyone know of any sites or if them theirselfs sells any parts i need a left front fender, an windsheild wiper/ washer knob, a bracket that holds the hood release button and i need that rubber elbow on the aircleaner mouth for my car i bought that one with the vibration.


ok thank you
brendan barlow





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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:33:11 -0400
From: Paul Dwyer <pdwyer@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Car-washing ad
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <44D79577.4090201@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

This appeared in an upstate N.Y. village newsletter, but it might have 
appeared in Washington State previously. For anyone who hasn't seen it:
http://www.skidmore.edu/~pdwyer/temp/images/water_ad_small.gif

-- 
Rambler Dan


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:29:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Apathy
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060807202954.73360.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

  As of noon Monday, I have received 28 E-mails
concerning my post ranting about the evils of Super
Rod magazine.  The breakdown is 12 that are
supportive, with 3 saying they had responded to the
magazine, and 9 wishing me good luck or conferring
attaboys.  I have no idea if any of these 9 responded
to the magazine.  The remaining 16 fall into various
categories, ranging from those that address various
health issues such as blood pressure, stress, etc. to
mental and philosophical oncerns such as enjoyment of
life(too short), contentment with what you have etc.,
and two that informed me that there was no conspiracy.
The remainder expressed either fear that if the
watercraft were set to oscillating, all coverage of
AMC would immediately cease, or else that resistance
is futile, we will be assimilated et. al.
  I read and hear with frequency complaints as to the
"State of AMC" with regards to low values, no
"respect", misinformation, etc.  This behaviour, or
more accurately, lack of behaviour, is how this thing
got this way. Let us consider for a moment what might
occur if say, an FE series Ford big-block engine was
identified by a major magazine as a 351 Cleveland. I
have been assured that this has occurred, and I
believe it wholeheartedly.  How many letters from Ford
lovers, and those "car guys" with no particular
allegiance would it take to print a retraction?  1? 3?
6?  Six would probably do it. One is a crackpot. 
Three is a complaint, but not much of one. Six is a
definite trend. With AMC it would probably take a lot
more to get them to pay attention. Maybe 20?  If these
people who took the time to type a message to me and
push the email button had instead done so with Super
Rod magazine, they would now have logged 29 complaints
to this article, as opposed to the 4 I know about. 
The person I have the most respect for out of
respondents to that post, is the guy who stated
publicly here on the list, that he thought Super Rod
was a good magazine, while acknowledging some
mistakes. He at least had the juevos to stand up and
say SOMETHING. This type of thing DOES require
correction, even if it's the Wisconsin Historical
Society or the Walter P. Chrysler museum(Or the Route
66 Rambler Museum).  While AMC was small, by the
Galactic Empire standards of Detroit, this was no Mom
and Pop operation.  We are talking about tens of
thousands of people in dozens of countries who built
something special for decade after decade. This is
American History, folks.  I am under no illusion.  I
realize the magazine doesn't care.  That has already
been demonstrated.  I get that they won't print my
letter, that no retraction is forthcoming.  And that
matters not in the least to my point.  Which is that
if I elicit no interest in anything larger than
myself, then when all is said and done, I will have
nothing BUT MYSELF.  And that makes for a mighty small
hobby.
Now if you will excuse me, I must hide from the black
helicopter shadowing me for the AMC Suppression
Conspiracy. /;]
mike



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:48:28 -0400
From: kimbueler@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Apathy
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <44d7c33c.277.5c71.18882@xxxxxxxxx>

This may fall on deaf ears, but may I suggest you put your thoughts in easily read paragraphs? I know this is a small
thing, but I have a hard time in assimiliating anything that is longer then 3 lines. No offense really.

On a aeperate note I'm probably preaching to the choir however, really I'm sorry no one cares outside of us, no one
cares about AMC, no one cares that they misplaced a name, a word, a car, a manufaturer, THEY. JUST DON'T. CARE.

You are banging your head against a brick wall. To be honest how many of your friends understand or even talk about AMC,
not many I bet - same as I mine, they don't care. Unless you owned one or had a close relationship to one, no one cares.
Frankly I know lots of friend who owned owned one once and they still dont' care.

So what do you do? Keep going to the shows, tell people about AMC you come across but don't expect AMC to ever become
the next Chevrolet - ain't gonnna happen.

We are the underdog, no shame, but don't expect the world to hear or understand, we are the unsung heros.

Regards,
Kim Bueler '75 Gremlinn X 360 V8



>   As of noon Monday, I have received 28 E-mails of Super
>
>   I read and hear with frequency complaints as to the
> "State of AMC" with regards to low values, no
> "respect", misinformation, etc.  This behaviour, or
> more accurately, lack of behaviour,
> Now if you will excuse me, I must hide from the black
> helicopter shadowing me for the AMC Suppression
> Conspiracy. /;]
> mike
>


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:48:06 -0400
From: "Richard Estermyer" <javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Matador Wagon Headers?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY106-F5490AA71933B2624DA4B6DD540@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed


Hey Gang,
Anyone know what headers may fit the 1975 Matador Wagon?  I have heard rumor 
twice that headers for a certain year span would fit all of the cars?!?  
Ture or wishful thinking.

I cannot get the left pipe to seal and having trouble, so I would rather go 
header and duals to avoid more headaches.  Also figuring installing headers 
and duals along with a 4bbl will also increase my gas mileage somewhat, as 
long as I keep out of it.

Thanks for the advice in advance!
Richard

Richard Estermyer
6235 S. Mohawk Avenue
Ypsilanti, MI 48197

734.483.5187 evenings
734.417.9456 NEW cell
javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:14:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] (no subject)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060808011406.13069.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

>From Kim Bueler:
>but may I suggest you put your thoughts in easily
>read paragraphs?

------>Certainly. 
Forget AMC bad. 
Get involved good. 
I like AMC. It is cool.

>THEY. JUST DON'T. CARE.

----->You are correct, of course.

>You are banging your head against a brick wall.

----->Right. Next you'll tell me there's no Easter
Bunny.
  I do understand that nothing I do will make a
difference. But I choose to practice my silly little
hobby in my own way. Too many bullrides in my youth,
probably. But I promise to keep it short from now on.
m.




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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:47:31 -0400
From: markskur1@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Correct 74 AMX Grill Paint Color
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <8C888A3BF197CB9-D38-4D14@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

 I need to touch up the mesh 
grill on my 74 AMX.  
What is the correct color to use?
 
Thanks all.
Mark
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:53:55 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Correct 74 AMX Grill Paint Color
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <001301c6ba95$e7ab1440$ebdd0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

According to the chip chart for 1974 the following information is valid
for a black color; it is a black color you want isn't it?
Hood Scoops and black out areas use low gloss black #9372 for PPG.
Specify DDR for Acrylic enamel or DPL for Acrylic lacquer. 
John
SNIP
From: markskur1@xxxxxxx
<mailto:markskur1@xxxxxxx?subject=%5bAMC-List%5d%20Correct%2074%20AMX%20
Grill%20Paint%20Color> 
I need to touch up the mesh
grill on my 74 AMX.
What is the correct color to use?
 
Thanks all.
Mark
SNIP
 


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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:38:33 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Rust Remover - http://tinyurl.com/lmhxy -
	Testo-Moanials	-
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <44D7C0E9.17191.51B48F@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII


I dunno, but it sure seems to be too good to be true. 
Wonder what the cost of a gallon of this stuff is? Oops, found out,
$25.00 a gallon.  I wonder how many gallons it takes to soak a wheel 
in?

John


==     ==




http://tinyurl.com/lmhxy


I called the company today -
spoke with 'Dwight' who has been
promoting the product these past 3.5 years.

If you have questions - and I guess most here
are skeptics..  > call Dwight.

WD-40 corp. has sent in an A&M team >
[acquisition & merger], seems WD-40
is planning to purchase the company.

That picture of the undercarriage of that 
FMC coupe  ? > cleaning took 7 hours of
'flushing' the product across the metal.

The product is not available in Powderd form -
probably is from the point of origin 
manufacturer but I haven't
found them yet.


As to :

 http://www.orisonmarketing.com/corrosion/evaporust/evapo-rust.html

Dwight stated that he had been in touch with the company - sounding
out similar Business interests - until WD-40 s' interest.

Theirs' leaves behind a 'Black'  residue - and will build up in
plastic recirculatory pumps - so I'll pass on proofing their
product.

The Tiny URL I've included this time has the page with the
Testimonials - check top of the page or last in column on
left. 


www.ridrust.com is the same company.

Only 'mandatory' of this product is using  circulation
as seen on-site to maintain a 'wash' agitation of solution
continuously flowing over the rust.


The person who restored the Shelby - found all
the original grease pen markings & assembly
notes in the original places - real nice for 
that 'value added' touch on a restoration resale.


This will make the undercarriage prep a breeze
on my Kammback - and I can flush the front
frame members to eliminate any suprises later on.

Just took delivery of the  CORROLESS
companys' free CD -  products used on 
North Sea Oil Rigs > probably just strong enough
to keep an AMC 'embalmed' .


If this Rust Remover is as effective as shown -
it's a 'gift from the gods'.......... we shall see.




   milnersXcoupe
      NEW YORK


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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:35:48 -0500
From: namdra@xxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Wanted
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060807.223549.-16458927.0.NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Does anyone have a good front seat/s (split bench) for a 70 4dr.
Ambassador? The drivers side is the one most needed.

Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA     NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx
8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326
          JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!!
'06 AMC NATIONALS - SEP. 14-16, 2006 - CORDOVA DRAGWAY PARK, CORDOVA, IL
AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974,  NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:25:42 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rust Remover - http://tinyurl.com/lmhxy -
	Testo-Moanials
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000a01c6baa2$b9bbd1c0$ebdd0d82@john1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Brien
SNIP
- and I guess most here are skeptics..  >
SNIP
I'll fess up to that, and nothing personal intended. 
What with marketing of magnets to improve gasoline mileage, and twisty
things to screw into your intake manifold tube to something charge the
fuel mixture, spark plugs that increase the power of gasoline to make it
as powerful as jet plane fuel and my all time favorite the 200 mpg
carburetor a product that shows me a shiny piece of metal with out the
ravages of rust pits raises a flag with me. It is hard to get that with
media blasting.  The list goes on, the latest one I have seen is one
that redistributes the electricity in your house and re-uses it to cut
electric bills by some gawdawful value is another beauty! And you can
buy one for only $500.00. 
That does not mean that it can't work but it does raise a flag. 
I really do not have a place to cold soak an AMC car from the sills down
in this stuff or set up a multi-hour flushing bath. Maybe I could figure
one out if I thought it was worth it but as of this time the one time I
addressed rust of the uni-body to that degree it took a saws all to cut
it out, nothing was salvageable to re-do. What was left could be
processed with a product of Rust Mort t or it's equivalent to prevent
further damage and a donor car or pieces of car was obtained to re-weld
rust free material back into the uni-body. 
$25.00 is not an out of line price to pay for a gallon of product that
may have a beneficial use and certainly a small parts bath can be set up
to deal with constant flushing needed to process things. 
>From that stand point I might even buy a gallon for working on things of
that size. 
Sure hope some one else can find a way to flush a whole car out though,
just once I would like to see a product actually do what it was
advertised to do easily enough to have it happen in the driveway. 
John.  
 


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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:35:29 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] apathy
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <02b401c6baa7$fec53680$0ff4b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

Hi Mike, I was one of those who wrote you off list concerning the Super Rod 
magazine and mentioned what to maybe expect scenarios, which included:
1. chances are they (SR) don't want to hear it
2. possibility they will not publish your, or anyone else's reply.

I also mentioned that some magazines are open minded and will however 
publish things critical of their rag, letting them know they are off base, 
wrong, idiots or whatever behind a typewriter.

What I also didn't mention is some have blogs or forum where it can get 
"lively" to say the least, when a magazine mis ID's a Olds, or screws up 
figures on a Chevy II and so forth. The fans of those models usually let 
them have it! Some are really cordial about it other use the f word as a 
verb, pronoun, adjective and noun in one sentence, questioning the original 
article, the writer's manhood or length and so forth, so it gets ugly.

I agree there is still a lot of apathy out there, however there is also a 
lot of gains made too! While I didn't get to the Dayton show, I was 
impressed at the photos. I'm sure there have been shows, regionals, all over 
the US this year with similiar nice cars. There is a really nice article in 
the new Hemming's Muscle Machines on Dean Hensinger's 70 Trans Am 
Javelin....of which he drives a lot. And then there are people like yourself 
who contribute just by a simple post that might help someone out. It's all 
good.

I realize your frustration, and have dealt with it for decades, from not 
only brand x camps but also AMC camps. A small article I wrote in late 80s 
was called AMC=Apathy 'Mongst Carowners and it dealt with a whole array of 
things from people not joining and supporting clubs, to some owners not even 
bothering to bring their AMC out (and I could write a book on the reasons) 
to a cruise night or show that might be within a Three Iron of their home, 
but the biggest peeve, (for lack of better word?) was cars in salvage yards. 
There is a file...or two dealing more with this somewhere on my site. But 
the frustration of calling, writing, (before I had email I could go thru 
books of stamps) people to let them know there is a authentic SCCA Spirit 
racecar at the pick a part yard with X amount of time left before crushing, 
or a 21,000 original owner Hornet a lady drove there and got $125 for it, 
401s in Jeeps and whatnot, and then you go back out to the yard with 2-3 
days to go before the vehicle crushed and gone forever and it is still 90% 
intact. Even with all the effort, no one bothered to pull anything. That was 
the biggest apathy. Seems now in 2006 it come back to bite us in ass since 
few good rust free sheet metal items out there now.

Don't get too frustrated Mike. There are 1001 ways to change a Eagle 
headlamp you know. You got 28 emails, and you have to remember this is such 
a small group, that ain't bad. I have never heard of Super Rod before you 
mentioned it, so don't know how many AMC fans subscribe to it. Much less how 
many of them read this site, forum, eaglenest, badassgremlin and other onine 
places you might have posted this. However, if some do subscribe and read 
it, I'm sure they will lower the boom on SR when they get their issue in 
mail. Kudos to you, and anyone else who did take a moment of their day to 
write Super Rod. Hopefully they will print some of the letters to editor and 
realize they stirred up a AMC 'hornets' nest!
Eddie Stakes



Date: Monday, August 7, 2006 03:29 PM
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>

As of noon Monday, I have received 28 E-mails
concerning my post ranting about the evils of Super
Rod magazine.  The breakdown is 12 that are
supportive, with 3 saying they had responded to the
magazine, and 9 wishing me good luck or conferring
attaboys.  I have no idea if any of these 9 responded
to the magazine.  The remaining 16 fall into various
categories, ranging from those that address various
health issues such as blood pressure, stress, etc. to
mental and philosophical oncerns such as enjoyment of
life(too short), contentment with what you have etc.,
and two that informed me that there was no conspiracy.
The remainder expressed either fear that if the
watercraft were set to oscillating, all coverage of
AMC would immediately cease, or else that resistance
is futile, we will be assimilated et. al.
  I read and hear with frequency complaints as to the
"State of AMC" with regards to low values, no
"respect", misinformation, etc.  This behaviour, or
more accurately, lack of behaviour, is how this thing
got this way. Let us consider for a moment what might
occur if say, an FE series Ford big-block engine was
identified by a major magazine as a 351 Cleveland. I
have been assured that this has occurred, and I
believe it wholeheartedly.  How many letters from Ford
lovers, and those "car guys" with no particular
allegiance would it take to print a retraction?  1? 3?
6?  Six would probably do it. One is a crackpot.
Three is a complaint, but not much of one. Six is a
definite trend. With AMC it would probably take a lot
more to get them to pay attention. Maybe 20?  If these
people who took the time to type a message to me and
push the email button had instead done so with Super
Rod magazine, they would now have logged 29 complaints
to this article, as opposed to the 4 I know about.
The person I have the most respect for out of
respondents to that post, is the guy who stated
publicly here on the list, that he thought Super Rod
was a good magazine, while acknowledging some
mistakes. He at least had the juevos to stand up and
say SOMETHING. This type of thing DOES require
correction, even if it's the Wisconsin Historical
Society or the Walter P. Chrysler museum(Or the Route
66 Rambler Museum).  While AMC was small, by the
Galactic Empire standards of Detroit, this was no Mom
and Pop operation.  We are talking about tens of
thousands of people in dozens of countries who built
something special for decade after decade. This is
American History, folks.  I am under no illusion.  I
realize the magazine doesn't care.  That has already
been demonstrated.  I get that they won't print my
letter, that no retraction is forthcoming.  And that
matters not in the least to my point.  Which is that
if I elicit no interest in anything larger than
myself, then when all is said and done, I will have
nothing BUT MYSELF.  And that makes for a mighty small
hobby.
Now if you will excuse me, I must hide from the black
helicopter shadowing me for the AMC Suppression
Conspiracy. /;]
mike




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