AMC-List Digest, Vol 6, Issue 44
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Today's Topics:
1. Restoring turbine style wheels (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
2. Re: Restoring Turbo Style Wheels (Mr. AMC)
3. Dayton schedule? (Andrew Blomer)
4. Factory Gauges (Thomas, Jeff)
5. Re: Dayton schedule? (Jim Shadwick)
6. Trunnion installation/help wanted (Eddie Stakes)
7. Quick ratio steering boxes (Widiker, John D)
8. Re: Quick ratio steering boxes (Sandwich Maker)
9. Re: Trunnion installation/help wanted (Tom Jennings)
10. Re: Dayton schedule? (Matt Haas)
11. AWESOME AMC literature blitz on Ebay, pictures
scanned...hundreds of oldies 50s 60s & up (Jerry Casper)
12. Re: Trunnion installation/help wanted (Ken Ames)
13. Re: Trunnion installation/help wanted
(francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
14. Re: 401 crank wanted & IH question (Sandwich Maker)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:54:35 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Restoring turbine style wheels
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List)
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I ran out and bought this 83 Spirit GT with turbine style aluminum wheels in okay shape, but I would like to resotre them refreshing the paint between the fins and around the centers. Hey Doc, didn't you just get done doing this? Did you remove the old paint with 100% elbow grease only?
Jack
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:32:38 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Restoring Turbo Style Wheels
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Jack my wheels were Western brand turbine style wheels similar to ones
used on AMC's. I am not familiar with the finish on the AMC wheel's.
Mine were aluminum with a clear urethane coating on them, not polished.
I cleaned the wheels good with enamel reducer very carefully and
prepsol'd them. I scuffed the area between the fins with 400# sand
paper. Masking the part of the fin not to be painted is a pain. Next I
primed the wheel with a self etching primer. Next I scuffed the primer
with 400# again. Next I painted the wheel with the body color for a
detail I though the factory should have done. Once the body color was
dry I removed all the tape and scuffed the whole wheel including the
original clear finish and painted the whole wheel with a semi-gloss
Eastwood clear paint. This sealed all the paint's together to prevent
pealing on the edges.They have been in all sorts of weather in the last
almost 9 months and clean up with Spray Nine like the day I painted
them. Even the dust from the front disc's. If the paint on the wheels is
good I just recommend a good cleaning and scuffing them and go from
there. This is a real pain of a job but done right it looks fantastic. I
will E-Mail you some pic's of my job.
"Doc"
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:43:54 +0000
From: "Andrew Blomer" <lotharamc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Dayton schedule?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hi everyone,
The Hemmings site detailing the meet in Dayton is down. I was looking for a
schedule, but specifically are the vendors going to be open the whole time,
or just for certain days? I didn't bother looking until now because I only
live an hour away.
Mike, I'm picking up the 68 Javelin bumpers.
Thanks
Andy
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:09:39 -0400
From: "Thomas, Jeff" <jeff.thomas@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Factory Gauges
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hello,
I am asking this question for my buddy: does anyone know what
manufacturer made the go-pack gauges that come standard issue on the
71-74 Javelin AMX ? Secondly, has anyone had a quartz conversion done
for the tic-tach clock ? Who did you use, what was the price and would
you recommend them again ?
Jeff
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:00:17 -0600
From: Jim Shadwick <idahoamx@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Dayton schedule?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/ohioamc/nat/itinerary.pdf
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:37:38 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Trunnion installation/help wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Keny below is having trunnion problems, and I thought it best to forward this here so some of you can possibly help him out. Thanks in advance to all who reply, and please also copy your reply to Kenny who would appreciate it.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
----- Original Message -----
From: KENT ANDERSON 65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx
Eddie;
I'll just bet you know all about trunions, and how to put 'em in. I really didn't think I was going to have a problem re-installing them, but they're really putting up a fight! This is a '64 Classic application, with the trunion sitting between the two halves of the upper control arm. I can't seem to get the bushings to rethread into place. Am I missing something? I'm afraid I've already boogered up the threads in one of my control arm parts, but hopefully not beyond repair.
65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx
Kenny
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:53:19 -0400
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Quick ratio steering boxes
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Well it seems that the Saginaw steering boxes from Jeep Grand Cherokees
from 1992 to 1998 had 2.75 turns lock to lock. They use the same bolts
and pattern as the old boxes on our stuff. They have metric fittings,
but adapters are available. I'm going to go hunt down 2 of them (one for
AMX one for Tempest) and see how it goes together, wish me luck. I'll
report back if it ends up sucking.
~John
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:07:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Quick ratio steering boxes
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200607182207.k6IM7um01236@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
"
" Well it seems that the Saginaw steering boxes from Jeep Grand Cherokees
" from 1992 to 1998 had 2.75 turns lock to lock. They use the same bolts
" and pattern as the old boxes on our stuff.
not only that, they have a relatively stiff 'high feel' t-bar in the
control valve.
i'm wondering if all jeeps had the fast boxes. my gf's '01 cherokee
has -very-fast- steering, though i haven't counted turns.
" They have metric fittings, but adapters are available.
you don't need adapters. the fittings sit in inserts or something,
which are removeable and replaceable with the old fashioned sae
fittings.
you may run into coupling flange mismatch as iirc gm changed it some
time in the mid '60s. if your tempest is earlier...
another possible mismatch, though not serious: jeep bump stops are
usually pretty wide, like amc. you may find yourself cranking into
the suspension or sheetmetal on the tempest.
" I'm going to go hunt down 2 of them (one for
" AMX one for Tempest) and see how it goes together, wish me luck. I'll
" report back if it ends up sucking.
we're all listening!
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:09:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trunnion installation/help wanted
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Eddie Stakes wrote:
> Keny below is having trunnion problems, and I thought it best to forward this here so some of you can possibly help him out. Thanks in advance to all who reply, and please also copy your reply to Kenny who would appreciate it.
Yo Eddie, I worked this out, hearza dox:
http://wps.com/AMC
scroll down a bit, there's a bright yellow painted front
suspension photo. Click that!
PS: yr black AMX sale cracked me up!
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:21:39 -0400
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Dayton schedule?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Vending is Friday and Saturday starting at 8:00 AM.
Also, please consider lending a hand with the show itself. Most of the help
needed at this point is directing traffic on Friday and Saturday but I'm
sure registration could use some help as well. If you're interested in
helping, contact Casey McGowan at ramblerranch@xxxxxxxxxxx
Matt
At 07:43 PM 7/18/2006 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>The Hemmings site detailing the meet in Dayton is down. I was looking for a
>schedule, but specifically are the vendors going to be open the whole time,
>or just for certain days? I didn't bother looking until now because I only
>live an hour away.
>
>Mike, I'm picking up the 68 Javelin bumpers.
>
>Thanks
>Andy
>
>
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>
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mhaas@xxxxxxx
Cincinnati, OH
http://www.mattsoldcars.com
1967 Rambler American wagon
1968 Rambler American sedan
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:01:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerry Casper <gremlingts@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AWESOME AMC literature blitz on Ebay, pictures
scanned...hundreds of oldies 50s 60s & up
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, AMC <amc-delmarva@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
BadAssGremlins <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <20060719020148.84637.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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If you like the oldies, then this guy is someone on
Ebay you should check out.
Seller - Autolit.com
Listings of AMC related post cards, brochures, flyers,
sales, misc, unusual,factory photos, Mexican, German,
French, Rambler, Custom, Ambo, American, Pacer,
Gremlin, etc.
I've been busy saving pictures off his listings, as I
have not seen quite a few of them. I've got 424
listings for AMC alone on this search! I've saved the
first 4 pages of 40 listings so far ( first to finish
auction ), and 6+ to go. Whew! Alot of photos, some
duplicates, but not as many as you'd think ( so far).
If you want to research AMC photos or old AMCs, this
guy's listings is the place to come to now. I'm not
trying to sell anything for him, I just like the
pictures! He's got Javelins, Pacers, Gremlins, etc as
well as Eagles, Spirits, so it's a full range of
models and years.
Some unusual entries :
- 1902 Rambler with 1962 Rambler post card
- Pacer Sundowner 1975
- 75 Mexican VAM sales brochure
- England Rambler
- 68 Mexican Javelin
- Electric Eagle project
Well, just got the cats in for dinner, back to
copying pics off his listings. :)
Jerry
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:37:15 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trunnion installation/help wanted
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1153280235.44bda8eb9bca4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Concerning the section on this page about the TFI upgrade, the 300 Ford 6 is 4.9
litres, not 3.8.
Also, there is an easier upgrade to the Motorcraft ignition that looks more
stock than the TFI. Ford has a stock looking high-voltage coil that one can use
insead and it fits the AMC bracket. Add the large cap and wires, etc. and away
you go.
Ken
Quoting Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>:
>
> Yo Eddie, I worked this out, hearza dox:
>
> http://wps.com/AMC
>
> scroll down a bit, there's a bright yellow painted front
> suspension photo. Click that!
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:59:49 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trunnion installation/help wanted
To: <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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<8B4C911BEBA5E24888E353FF362B9E7702E6601A@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Kenny, go to this site: http://wps.com/AMC/Front-suspension/. Tom
Jennings has done an excellent write-up on the 52-69 big car upper
trunnion (in this case a 63 Classic). I might be a year or two off on
first use, but no matter. The only difference in 63-69 models is that
only V-8s used roller bearings in the upper trunnion vertical joint,
sixes used a plain bronze bushing. All prior to 63 used roller bearings.
I think Tom makes it sound a little more complicated than it is, but
then I've done several of these things over the years.
If your upper trunnion "caps" are loose in the arms, but the holes in
the arms haven't worn much, tack weld the caps to the arms once they are
in. Just one good tack on the outermost edge will do. Put it where it
can be struck off with a hammer and chisel or grinder if it ever needs
replacing -- you don't want to big a tack weld. This will keep the cap
from turning and eventually vibrating out. You can also easily inspect
it to make sure everything is fine -- if the tack is broke the caps have
seized or have started to seize. At that point the joint can be
disassembled, cleaned, lubed, and put back in service.
One more thing -- I always assemble these things with anti-seize
compound on all threads, THEN grease good before use. Modern moly grease
isn't like the old mineral based stuff they used way back then and is
much less likely to ever seize, but the anti-seize compound is a bit of
extra insurance.
If your arms are badly worn pull the entire front suspension, align
everything correctly and weld (using a MIG welder for better control)
three of the six flats around the cap to the arm. The hole in the arms
usually wears to the inside, so pulling the joint out to the outer edge
usually works. The cap can be welded to the arms while they are apart,
then the entire arm is rotated to reinstall, and the upper arms/trunnion
assembly can be reinstalled. Yes, I know this is a one time good deal!
As stated above, with anti-seize and modern grease the joint isn't
likely to sieze and will last much longer than the original did. I've
only fixed one car this way, and that was 10+ years ago and it's still
going. This works well and should last another 150K miles or more. New
or good used upper arms are hard to find! This can be done with the
lower arms on the older cars as well.
Oh, the AMC-List was forwarded your message by Eddie Stakes. He's a
member, and you might consider going to www.amc-list.com and becoming a
member too!
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:14:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 401 crank wanted & IH question
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200607181114.k6IBEPx27833@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
"
"
" You're right about the 304. I wonder why they put those heavy things in
" Scouts instead of the much lighter AMC engines. They used the 258 and
" their own four cylinder (which was half the small V-8), then used the
" heavy V-8 instead of a lighter one! Maybe AMC didn't feel they had the
" capacity to provide 304s or 360s (hmmm... a 360 Scout!!), but needed
" the added sales to keep the volume of 401s up. I don't think the Scout
" competed with Jeeps that much -- it was more or less between a CJ and
" FSJ.
i've heard that the little ih trucks were always loss leaders, meant
to grease the sales of the big rigs. in line with that, the 345 [for
example] is the same mill used in 2t and 5t trucks, complete with
nitrided crank and forged rods. [i was told in the early '80s that a
new 345 cost $4500!] this sort of overbuilding is why their scouts
and pickups got such a rep for toughness.
in only started using amc sixes after they stopped using their own
mid-200s-cube mill, perhaps for emissions reasons. this was about '68.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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