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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend... (Jim Blair)
   2. Re: Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend... (Jim Blair)
   3. Re: Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend... (Jim Blair)
   4. Re: Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend...
      (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
   5. AMC / Nash TV Commercials (Brien Tourville)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:01:41 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A: That isn't quite true. The Model 15 was still being used in the Eagle, 
but the XJs got D35C in '84 at beginning of production (one piece shafts). I 
have pics of the D35C casting in the housing of an '88 Eagle as well! Bronco 
IIs ran a D35 IFS in the front. The D44 became available in '87 as HD option 
in MJ and XJ. M20 (I'm still looking for one!) was available '84 thru '86 
(so only 1 year in MJs!) '91 was a split year of D44 and 8.25. The D53 was 
used in J4000s till '69, then they went to D60 semi-float till '74. My '73 
J4000 was one of the last semi-floats, then they went full float.
   My J4000 is also getting a 727 (from a newer than '80 FSJ) with Mopar 
NP208 so it's still RH drop. It was a button up job with the later crossbar. 
I have to change my exhaust manifolds anyways, so I'll use the later 
crossover pipe.



From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the
weekend...

quick history lesson - the d35 didn't even exist until amc
turned
amc15 axle production over to dana about '87.  axle shafts are
different but the 'chuck' is the same.  only uses for the d35
are
xj/yj/zj/etc rears and ford exploder fronts.

exploders also used d30 fronts.  early xjs used a hd amc15, with
amc20
optional.  the amc20 was replaced by a d44 for a few years, then
a
mopar 8.25" starting in the early '90s.

on big jeeps, i didn't think the d53 survived into the '60s, but
i'm
not an expert.

the d27 replaced the d25 in the late '40s.  it evolved into the
d30 in
the late '60s.  the d44 existed at least since the late '40s,
the d60
since some time in the '50s.  the d70 might be that old as well.
all
have front and rear versions; d30, d44, and d60 have high pinion
fronts.  both d44 and d60 have evolved, principally in spline
count
and from closed to open knuckles.  never heard of a d53 front.

27s and 44s were also made in england; volvo used spicer 27s
starting
with the 444.  the famous jag irs used a spicer 44 chuck; jag
posis
used to be the hot setup as they were beefier than the american
d44
ones.

" knwoing that they used Dana 30's and if your uncomfortable
with the
" 44's i mentioned ok how bout a 3/4 ton running gear Dana 60
front and
" rear with the flipped shackles and a Dana 300 or NP 205
transfer case?

that was my thought - a j30 d60 rear + a custom high pinion
d60fa.

" Also while I agree about using a more reliable engine/trans
combo
" whats so bad about the AMC 327? i thought in 4v form they were
tough
" motors. I see traditional hot rodders revamping flatties and
Ford guys
" running tried and true Y block V8's myself included with my 60
Effie.

very tough but maybe the big jeeper wants more power?
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:12:01 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F2003A717D74FCB3F0CEFF7AC6C0@xxxxxxx>
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Where to start on this one? LOL! First, a 4 speed would cure the ratio ills, 
or you could mod the D20 with Early Bronco stuff to 3.15 low range.
   Chev military rigs used HPD60 front axles that are RH drop '84 till '87. 
Jeep M715 used D60 front and D70 rear (and they are already SOA with high 
steer stock)



From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the
weekend...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:



Every wheeler has a different philosophy.

Its not the motor that I would question - I bought it because I
knew it was stout and has a very nice factory torque rating for
its displacement.  The D20 is fine also.  The issues with
wheeling the Waggie I bought would be the crappy 1st gear ratio
of the 3-speed, not being worth it to regear the weak axles to
compensate for the trans ratios, no front discs, weak knuckles,
weak u-joints everywhere, its difficult-to-work-with suspension
that really ends up requiring SOA and extra axle work in the
form of high-steer, and the unfriendly-to-wheeling interior
(benches).  The ratio of time/effort/money to results/enjoyment
is skewed the wrong way for me on this one.

Making the assumption that the motor would be pumped up and a
suitable trans installed, I still wouldn't want to wheel such a
large rig on modern 44's either due to the torque multiplication
of say, an adapted T-18a/D300 (or something stronger), and the
significant weight of the vehicle going through small joints and
rather thin, 30-spline shafts.  I might feel better with a C20HD
rear than I would with a D44 rear.  A HP D44 or D60 front would
require a transfer case other than what you suggested due to the
driver's side drop and I have never seen a HP passenger-drop D60
that hadn't been re-tubed.  I wouldn't bother building up a
passenger-drop LPD60 unless the vehicle came with it or it was
nearly free, but only becuase of the axle resources I have at my
disposal with the number of junkyards, message boards, and email
lists in Michigan...

I've also got 3 other vehicles to wheel, so its not really a
priority.  If it was my only vehicle and I wanted a FSJ to
wheel, a newer one would have been a better choice.

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:32:20 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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The water pump isn't too hard to come by out here. Pretty similar design to 
Mopar big block.


From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the
weekend...
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
There's only two things "wrong" with an AMC 327 (or any GEN-1
V-8):

1. No speed parts. The only thing you can easily do is improve
the
exhaust system and air filter. The factory 4V intake takes a
Holley
carb, so a carb upgrade is pretty easy, and the stock units are
only
like 450 or so cfm -- a 600 cfm would be nice! Later AMC
aluminum
intakes can be adapted, but adapter paltes have to be made. It's
not to
hard to have a stock cam reground either, but that's about it
for easy
-- if you consider changing a cam "easy".

2. When the water pump goes out on a trail, you'd better have a
spare!
They are still obtainable, but you're going to be stuck a few
days,
maybe even a week, while one is ordered. Same for other hard
parts. The
only things you can walk into any auto parts store and get are
tune-up
parts, belts, and hoses -- provided you don't mind using
universal
hoses.

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:20:01 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
	<071520060920.19415.44B8B3410007C44400004BD72205886172019D0A0790019D9F9C03@xxxxxxxxxxx>
	

If I was going to change the transmission, I wouldn't bother modifying the transfer case with "early anything".  Stuff like that is a pain in the ass to replace if it breaks because you have to waste time to go looking for it.  The likelihood of another D300 being available among wheelers for about $150 is fairly high.

I have Drill this weekend, so I will ask around the motor pool about the military axles.

Not worth it to bother with the ancient tech in M-715 axles unless you have one.  They have closed knuckles and other weak steering parts that I would be wary of, as well as old drum brakes.  That would all have to be replaced, as well as the knuckles themselves.  I don't know if those old D70's were even 35-spline.  Did all D70's have 2-piece carriers like the old ones?



 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Where to start on this one? LOL! First, a 4 speed would cure the ratio ills, 
> or you could mod the D20 with Early Bronco stuff to 3.15 low range.
>    Chev military rigs used HPD60 front axles that are RH drop '84 till '87. 
> Jeep M715 used D60 front and D70 rear (and they are already SOA with high 
> steer stock)


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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 05:52:54 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC / Nash TV Commercials
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http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au/classic_car_commercials_american_
motors.htm


   Brien Tourville
      NEW YORK


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