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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend...
(BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx)
2. Re: Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend... (Sandwich Maker)
3. Re: parts pullers (was Thems The Brakes) (Mark Price)
4. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 6, Issue 28 (Peter Marano)
5. Re: Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend...
(msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
6. Re: Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend... (Mark Price)
7. Re: brought a vigilante home (Eddie Stakes)
8. Fw: 1966 Rambler Classic 550 clutch cable or advise wanted
(Eddie Stakes)
9. trannie interchange question (Eddie Stakes)
10. shifter for Rebel wanted (Eddie Stakes)
11. altenator conversion kits for sale (Eddie Stakes)
12. rear bumper wanted: 70 Rebel/71-73 Matador (Eddie Stakes)
13. 71 Gremlin parts wanted (Eddie Stakes)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:47:52 +0000
From: BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Disclaimer: I am not trying to be a jerk with this reply.
>
> You are completely thinking in the wrong decade. It has a D27 front and what
> looks like a D53 rear and its really not suitable for wheeling, as the entire
> drivetrain would have to be replaced for me to have any confidence in it doing
> anything off the pavement and returning home under its own power. I'd rather
> break newer, common parts than the older unobtanium. I wouldn't feel comfotable
> wheeling a heavy rig like that on D44's, even.
>
> I don't know what "35's" you're referring to. Dana 35's? FSJ's never used
> D35's. They used a D30 front from 71-73.
>
> -Spro
>
Spro,4x4's i have limited knolage of compared to 2wd cars.and yes i meant Dana 35's .i thought the early FSJ's used em i stand corected knwoing that they used Dana'30's and if your uncomfortable with the 44's i mentioned ok how bout a 3/4 ton running gear Dana 60 front and rear with the flipped shackles and a Dana 300 or NP 205 transfer case?Also while I agree about using a more reliable engine/trans combo whats so bad about the AMC 327? i thought in 4v form they were tough motors.I see traditional hot rodders revamping flatties and Ford guys running tried and true Y block V8's myself included with my 60 Effie.
Bart
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:46:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200607141346.k6EDkDt09744@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx
"
"
"
" -------------- Original message --------------
" From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
"
" > Disclaimer: I am not trying to be a jerk with this reply.
" >
" > You are completely thinking in the wrong decade. It has a D27 front and what
" > looks like a D53 rear and its really not suitable for wheeling, as the entire
" > drivetrain would have to be replaced for me to have any confidence in it doing
" > anything off the pavement and returning home under its own power. I'd rather
" > break newer, common parts than the older unobtanium. I wouldn't feel comfotable
" > wheeling a heavy rig like that on D44's, even.
" >
" > I don't know what "35's" you're referring to. Dana 35's? FSJ's never used
" > D35's. They used a D30 front from 71-73.
" >
" > -Spro
" >
" Spro, 4x4's i have limited knolage of compared to 2wd cars. and yes i
" meant Dana 35's. i thought the early FSJ's used em i stand corected
quick history lesson - the d35 didn't even exist until amc turned
amc15 axle production over to dana about '87. axle shafts are
different but the 'chuck' is the same. only uses for the d35 are
xj/yj/zj/etc rears and ford exploder fronts.
exploders also used d30 fronts. early xjs used a hd amc15, with amc20
optional. the amc20 was replaced by a d44 for a few years, then a
mopar 8.25" starting in the early '90s.
on big jeeps, i didn't think the d53 survived into the '60s, but i'm
not an expert.
the d27 replaced the d25 in the late '40s. it evolved into the d30 in
the late '60s. the d44 existed at least since the late '40s, the d60
since some time in the '50s. the d70 might be that old as well. all
have front and rear versions; d30, d44, and d60 have high pinion
fronts. both d44 and d60 have evolved, principally in spline count
and from closed to open knuckles. never heard of a d53 front.
27s and 44s were also made in england; volvo used spicer 27s starting
with the 444. the famous jag irs used a spicer 44 chuck; jag posis
used to be the hot setup as they were beefier than the american d44
ones.
" knwoing that they used Dana 30's and if your uncomfortable with the
" 44's i mentioned ok how bout a 3/4 ton running gear Dana 60 front and
" rear with the flipped shackles and a Dana 300 or NP 205 transfer case?
that was my thought - a j30 d60 rear + a custom high pinion d60fa.
" Also while I agree about using a more reliable engine/trans combo
" whats so bad about the AMC 327? i thought in 4v form they were tough
" motors. I see traditional hot rodders revamping flatties and Ford guys
" running tried and true Y block V8's myself included with my 60 Effie.
very tough but maybe the big jeeper wants more power?
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 7:39:19 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] parts pullers (was Thems The Brakes)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Ken Siroonian <KSiroonian@xxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <18937713.1152887959502.JavaMail.root@web29>
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I was in the Advance auto near work last week and overheard one of counter guys tell a women that, " You can't overcharge an A/C system"! "Just hook the can up and open the valve, it won't take in any more than it needs, Stop when it blows cold air". The guy is a real work of art and we've gone around before as he is clueless, so I didn't get involved, The girl went out with a spray can of R134a and two ther guys from Advance and they couldn't get the compressor to engage, so thankfully she had to take it to a shop without my intervention.
What a PUTZ!
He once helped me try to find a Radiator hose to match up for my American, no luck. I went back two days later and there was another guy there, He said, Oh, I know what will work and we walked over and pulled an old dusty hose off the same rack this PUTZ had looked thru two days before. Needless to say it was a perfect fit! Now if I go ina nd this guy is at the counter, I wander around till he is busy and get someone else.
I'd go to a local parts place, but the only one left in town is a NAPA that rips me a new one everytime I go in. They charged me $39.90 for a can of brushable seam sealer! I found it online for less then $25.00. I'm all for supporting the locals, but not at those prices!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:09:17 -0500
From: Peter Marano <PMarano@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 6, Issue 28
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I used the AMC V/8 starter, my Jeep was a 3 speed. I believe the
starters interchange- stick shift and both automatics.
I think the Delco starter is a great unit, the layout of the Jeep just
causes an interference condition. Altough the Motorcraft staters work
fine, they do start with a short. The Delco works as you would expect,
the soleniod engages the the gear and then the starter windings are
conected to the battery and the starter spins. The Motorcraft uses a
point set to carry a large current to ground to prevent the starter from
spinning while the gear is being engaged. When the points fail the
starter spins before the gear is engaged! I think most of us have heard
that unholy racket.
Peter Marano
Kenosha WI
>
>Hmmmm, That is all interesting, plus you managed to move the solemoid away from the engine heat. What motorcraft did you use? An AMC V-8 unit?
> I might have to look into that before I do the 327 in the Ambassador. Was yours a turbo 400 or Stick? Does that make a difference in 327 Jeep starters? Would that work on the AMC cars and Borg Warner trans?
> Thinking out loud here, But remote solenoid and fast cranking can't be a bad thing! Can it?
> Although I bet it might be the same for the Borg cars. I think I saw someone advertising the mini starters for the 327-287 cars a while ago on eBay.
>--
>Mark Price
>markprice242ATadelphia.net
>Morgantown, WV
>
>
>---- Peter Marano <PMarano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>>Someone had installed the Delco starter and cut the pinion snubber
>>bracket. I wanted to replace the pinion snubber and since I did not
>>have the Prestolite starter but I did have Motorcraft starters...
>>
>>The gear, gear depth and the diameter of the mounting hole are correct;
>>it seems I had to trim the flange and be creative with the mounting
>>hardware.
>>
>>The 327 turned over much faster with the Motorcraft starter.
>>
>>Peter Marano
>>Kenosha WI
>>
>>
>>
>>>Message: 9
>>>Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:42:12 +0000
>>>From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend...
>>>To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Message-ID:
>>> <071120061342.18189.44B3AAB4000192760000470D2200760180019D0A0790019D9F9C03@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
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>>>
>>>Does that mean you had to do this as a result of not being able to obtain a new Jeep starter or rebuild your old one?
>>>
>>>-Spro
>>>
>>>-------------- Original message --------------
>>>From: Peter Marano <PMarano@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Message: 3
>>>>>Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:03:16 +0000
>>>>>From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend...
>>>>>To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Message-ID:
>>>>>
>>>>>One question I have is about the starter. It was present (you can see it n the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>floor in one pic), but off the motor and seemingly intact. The Seller explained
>>>>to me that you can't get replacements anymore and it would have to be rebuilt.
>>>>Any truth to this? If so, can someone recommend a reputable shop, preferably in
>>>>the Detroit Metro area? If not, I'll ship it out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>-Spro
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>The solenoid on the Delco starter that the cars used interferes with the
>>>>front axle pinion snubber bracket. I was able to hack a AMC Motorcraft
>>>>starter to fit my 1968 Gladiator; the mounting hole require modification.
>>>>
>>>>Peter Marano
>>>>Kenosha WI
>>>>
>>>>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:29:13 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
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Every wheeler has a different philosophy.
Its not the motor that I would question - I bought it because I knew it was stout and has a very nice factory torque rating for its displacement. The D20 is fine also. The issues with wheeling the Waggie I bought would be the crappy 1st gear ratio of the 3-speed, not being worth it to regear the weak axles to compensate for the trans ratios, no front discs, weak knuckles, weak u-joints everywhere, its difficult-to-work-with suspension that really ends up requiring SOA and extra axle work in the form of high-steer, and the unfriendly-to-wheeling interior (benches). The ratio of time/effort/money to results/enjoyment is skewed the wrong way for me on this one.
Making the assumption that the motor would be pumped up and a suitable trans installed, I still wouldn't want to wheel such a large rig on modern 44's either due to the torque multiplication of say, an adapted T-18a/D300 (or something stronger), and the significant weight of the vehicle going through small joints and rather thin, 30-spline shafts. I might feel better with a C20HD rear than I would with a D44 rear. A HP D44 or D60 front would require a transfer case other than what you suggested due to the driver's side drop and I have never seen a HP passenger-drop D60 that hadn't been re-tubed. I wouldn't bother building up a passenger-drop LPD60 unless the vehicle came with it or it was nearly free, but only becuase of the axle resources I have at my disposal with the number of junkyards, message boards, and email lists in Michigan...
I've also got 3 other vehicles to wheel, so its not really a priority. If it was my only vehicle and I wanted a FSJ to wheel, a newer one would have been a better choice.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Spro,4x4's i have limited knolage of compared to 2wd cars.and yes i meant Dana
> 35's .i thought the early FSJ's used em i stand corected knwoing that they used
> Dana'30's and if your uncomfortable with the 44's i mentioned ok how bout a 3/4
> ton running gear Dana 60 front and rear with the flipped shackles and a Dana
> 300 or NP 205 transfer case?Also while I agree about using a more reliable
> engine/trans combo whats so bad about the AMC 327? i thought in 4v form they
> were tough motors.I see traditional hot rodders revamping flatties and Ford guys
> running tried and true Y block V8's myself included with my 60 Effie.
> Bart
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:14:11 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Brought home a Vigilante over the weekend...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <31999601.1152904451758.JavaMail.root@web15>
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No need to question the motor at all. IIRC your looking at about 375 ftlb of torque.
Not too shabby even for the heavy engine it is.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Every wheeler has a different philosophy.
>
> Its not the motor that I would question - I
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:32:17 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] brought a vigilante home
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Eh, I thought ya'll were talking about the Justice League character:
http://jl.toonzone.net/whoswhojlu/whoswh61.jpg
I'll keep driving................
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:52:42 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: 1966 Rambler Classic 550 clutch cable or
advise wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: tr5tillett@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <028701c6a793$b317a460$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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Anyone have any advise, or the part these folks need please feel free to give them a shout below thanks; and copy your reply to them if advise.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
----- Original Message -----
From: tr5tillett@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:58 PM
Subject: 1966 Rambler Classic 550
I am looking for a clutch cable for a 1966 Rambler Classic, 232 6cyl. 3 on the tree. Stranded without
this cable.I tried to mig a washer on end and fried
the inner lining to cable. Any help greatly appreciated. Great Site. Lots of stuff over here in MT.
maybe I can help Thanks Terry
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:57:14 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] trannie interchange question
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Keith J. Woodcock" <kjw14@xxxxxxxx>
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Keith below is asking a trans interchange question, if anyone can hook him
up, please feel free to reply and thanks in advance to all who do, please
copy your reply also to Keith!
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith J. Woodcock" <kjw14@xxxxxxxx>
I want to thank you for your work and helping AMC stay on the road. I have
used your vendor list and got the parts I need to keep my 85 Eagle going.
This time it was a set of spring saddle bushings. No one had them, but I
contacted Rare Parts, on the vendor list and got them. Cost
a bit, but they delivered. Thanks again. My Eagle continues to be my daily
driver.
My question: My neighbor has a 76 Hornet with a three speed manual. I
have a T5 from a Spirit. Can we make the swap? Are the bolt patterns the
same, etc. etc.
Keith Woodcock
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:10:13 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] shifter for Rebel wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: James Dowling <jpdowling@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I am looking for a complete gear shifter with reverse lock-out. The kind
that is a bayonet look. Please help. I am restoring a 1967 Rebel SST and
this is all that is missing. Thanks Jim Dowling jpdowling@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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anyone with a shifter to help out give them a shout above, thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:11:19 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] altenator conversion kits for sale
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: info@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <031e01c6a79d$1a70c520$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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Alternator conversion Kit Two wire Alternator 82 AMPs test and mounting
bracket and integral regulator, for V8 AMC. Most popular to rebuit, Must be
use on pre all 1978 AMC car. Price including freight 144.$ Am Racing
info@xxxxxxxxxxxx 514 990 2691
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anyone interested in a alternator conversion kit give Pierre a shout above
thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:14:02 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] rear bumper wanted: 70 Rebel/71-73 Matador
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Al Sue Morrocco <asmorro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <032101c6a79d$1b5f1cc0$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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WANTED.... SHOW QUALITY REAR BUMPER FOR A 1970 AMC REBEL THANKS EDDIE, AL,
ASMORRO@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 631-957-5017
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anyone with a rear 70 Rebel bumper or 71-73 Matador bumper give them a shout
above thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:14:52 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 71 Gremlin parts wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: dennisbaerny@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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I am looking for the rear interior surround for a 71 gremlin. Mine is blue
but will except others. Also considering changing bench seat to buckets so
let me know what you have. Dennis Baerny dennisbaerny@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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anyone that can help out with the Gremlin items give them a shout above,
thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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