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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Surging 401 update (John Elle)
   2. i REALLY shouldnt have... (d stohler)
   3. sweet rambler (Eddie Stakes)
   4. Re: 401 Engine surge problem (Jim Blair)
   5. Dave's 62 Classic Tail Light Lenses (Mr. AMC)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 16:37:41 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Surging 401 update
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: 'Marty Bricker' <mbrickerusn@xxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <000801c6a3b0$afc89e90$e2dd0d82@john1>
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Marty, 
Here are more thoughts on a thought by thought basis so I can read what
you wrote not what I wanted to read :-)
SNIP
.  Problem is still there...slightly worse after todays runs.  Here
is the latest:
-changed fuel filter (74 Jav/AMX doesn't have a fuel
return line on the filter).  I even cut the filter
open and it was very clean inside.
SNIP
Conclusion, fuel line not full of tank crud, neither probably is
carburetor
SNIP
-checked all of the lines from the tank and the pump
and there are no kinks (rubber lines were replaced
when engine rebuilt)
SNIP
Conclusion, fuel lines good assuming replaced all of the way back to the
tank.
SNIP
-Went out for a run and had surging problem again
(approx 3000 rpm)
SNIP
Observation, engine rpms up, possibly under a load such as acceleration
maybe!
SNIP
-pulled off and removed and plugged vacuum advance
-next run surging started even sooner so I pulled off
and reconnected vacuum advance
-ran engine up to 3200 rpm in neutral and no surging
-back on road and reconnecting vac advance had no
effect on early surging
SNIP
Appears to not be related to ignition as vacuum advance change would
effect timing and it did nothing. Not a strong test but certainly does
not point to ignition problem
SNIP
 (even noticed on exit at 20-25
mph that was a fairly steep climbing turn)
SNIP
Observation, rpm's up and possibly under a load again. Interesting!
SNIP
-got home and checked tranny fluid level and it's
right on
SNIP
Does not look as if transmission is slipping!
SNIP
-again ran engine to 3000+ rpm in neutral and no
surging
SNIP
Observation. RPM's up, but not under a load. This is a repeat item.
SNIP
-fuel pump is stock
SNIP
Well whaduaknow, I wonder if it is original or one with years on it????
SNIP
-removed the air filter and no indications of fuel
boiling/dripping into the carb
SNIP
Observation, doesn't look like flooding is a problem!
SNIP
-I'm running Shell 93 octane that was purchased the
same day as problem started
SNIP
YOU LUCKY DAWG! Best I can get here is 91 Octane. Can you say Ping!
SNIP
-Fuel line is rubber (vice metal) and runs up the
front of the engine
SNIP
It is 108F today, I never had a fuel line vaporization problem with any
AMC car with the fuel line run like the factory installed it. Does not
look like fuel vaporization is the problem
SNIP
-the floats have been set and rechecked several times
when working the boiling/dripping problem and the
inlet valves are new.
SNIP
 
Observation! Problem re-occurs when engine rpm's are up and under load.
Does not happen in neutral. The only time I have had that repeat itself
regularly was when the fuel pump was on the way out. Except of course
the one time it quit at an intersection with no warning what so ever and
left me sitting there.
If the fuel pump has some age on it and a couple of years is age my vote
goes for the fuel pump. This time anyway. 
 
John. 
 
 


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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:17:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] i REALLY shouldnt have...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060710031718.50455.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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wife is going to kill me if she finds out how much i just spent for new tail light lenses for my 62 classic... for once, i got to be at my laptop, and the internet was working good just long enough for me to fight one of them dam bidding wars.... in the last 9 minutes or so, them lenses went from $58, till i won them at $153.50. wife did one of them "but you dont NEED them" things, but mine are dull, cracked, and missing the reflectors... you know how that all goes.. just hope she dont look at the bank acct. WAIT, im in iraq, i should be able to buy stuff like that once in a while right? guess she can just go get a job if she dont like it....
   
  dave stohler
  camp taji iraq

 			
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:36:30 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] sweet rambler
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/59-Rambler-wagon-Custom-Retro-Rod-350ci_W0QQitemZ260003539992QQihZ016QQcategoryZ5357QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Sweet Rambler! $8000 stereo system! Give me a AMC AM/8track all transsistor 
push button with hi fidelety tone and Duo Coustic speakers!
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:46:09 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 401 Engine surge problem
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A: How could I forget about the loose hose before the fuel pump trick? I 
helped a guy with Cummins diesel who was fighting the same thing trying to 
get DOWN from Steven's pass! I heard a suction noise and realized that ain't 
normal on a diesel! (he was spritzing it with ether to get started, then it 
would go a mile and quit again) He was hauling a 40 foot trailer at the time 
too!


From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 401 Engine surge problem
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0607091029440.4027@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Sun, 9 Jul 2006, Jim Blair wrote:

>Odds are the gas tank sock has collapsed or the fuel pump
inlet valve has
>stuff sticking it open and causing low pressure. The fuel
filter could also

Or wrong gas cap! If popping the gas cap causes a big WOOSH
of air in, it's sealed and shouldn't be, or sealed, and the
return tank vent hose (year, model, state, smog, etc) is plugged
or whatever.

Plain old low-flow fuel pump problem?

This happened to me once, on a 258 six, no less -- slightly
loose fuel hose clamp on the SUCTION side of the pump, sucking
air! I could actually hear it, like pulsating sucking through
your teeth. Pulled on the hose and it changed.

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:50:16 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Dave's 62 Classic Tail Light Lenses
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Dave if you listen to all the wives you would never buy anything, except
jewelry for them. I came into a large sum of tax free money 2 years ago.
My wife wanted half, yea right "When Donkeys Fly". My 2 son's and grand
son got some. The wife got an 800$ diamond bracelet that she wore 2
times and lost it wearing it to work from the house 6 blocks to the bus
stop. I was nice enough to buy her another telling her it was the last
time and not to wear it to work. I would think you were worth what ever
a set of tail light lenses cost and much more having to be over there in
that hell hole. Keep your head down and come home safe.
"Doc"



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