you will see all sorts of "tests" by people bad-mouthing the Frams, and I don't know why. Perhaps the original tester had a bone to pick with Fram, maybe a disgruntled employee, I don't know. I do know that I have been running Fram PH-11 in all my AMCs for years. I have never lost an engine, either 6 or 8, and start up chatter is non-existant. Of course I follow several time tested must-dos; -change oil and filter every 3k miles. -use a quality detergent oil. I run basically Valvoline 10-40 unless conditions call for something else. -Extreme use require modofications to your engine, do so and don't scrimp. -I flush out my engine with every change using Risoline and following directions. I am not against using other brands, and used Frams even when I was racing my Gremlin. But Fram has served me well and I have a shelf full of them. Let the argument begin......Russ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com