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Today's Topics:
1. 77 Powerplant TSM or Emissions diagram (JOE FULTON)
2. Proportioning Valve (Jim Boone)
3. Re: AM radio computer MP3 player...
(francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
4. Re: Proportioning Valve (francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
5. Re: Proportioning Valve (Mr. AMC)
6. Re: AM radio computer MP3 player... (Ken Ames)
7. Engine Timing (Mr. AMC)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:50:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 77 Powerplant TSM or Emissions diagram
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Folks,
I'm in need of the emssions diagram for a 77 AMC six
with the 2-bbl (nonelectronic) BBD carburetor. My
Gremlin has CA emissions. I would like to put it back
together stock, but my "before" pictures are not
detailed enough to provide the information I need.
Does anyone have a 77 powerplant TSM? I have the
chassis and body sections but not the powerplant
section.
Regards,
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:51:25 -0400
From: "Jim Boone" <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Proportioning Valve
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I'm trying to get started on changing over my Rebel to disc brakes from
drum. I have a complete front brake setup that I've had for yrs - all
well-worn, but all there. I had forgot what it came from, but from doing
some investigation, and comparing pictures of the calipers on
www.advanceautoparts.com, it looks to be the later ones that were used on
Eagles, some Jeeps, '82-3 Concords and Spirits.
I was gonna test fit everything together on the car, then exchange the
calipers and rotors for new/rebuilt. What I can't find is the proper
proportioning valve for this setup. Advance Auto has no listing. I'd think
that any disc brake car remote mounted valve would work.
Anyone have ideas on where to find one? I haven't explored the Napa site
yet, or Autozone for that matter, but thought I'd throw that out there.
I'll probably keep it as manual disc for now, just want it valved right;
will sure be better than the front drum setup I have on it now.
Thanks,
Jim Boone
Mims, FL
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 03:52:54 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AM radio computer MP3 player...
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The only problem is the transmitters are all FM only. Doesn't help if
you have the original AM radio. Andrew is correct, many newer stereos
have a mini input jack on the front. Just get a cable with the mini
headphone jack on both ends from Radio Shack and plug in your CD or MP3
player.
Don't get the idea that iPod is the only player that does this! ALL MP3
players will. Belkin and others make the small transmitters, and they
will plug into ANYTHING with a headphone jack. You can use one to
transmit the sound from your computer to your stereo if the computer has
a headphone jack.
There are some LOW END stereos now with the inputs. Wal-Mart even sells
one now that has a USB port on the front for thumb drives, and an SD
card slot, for under $100! It also has a CD player. I think I'm going to
get one of those. I'm not so much of an audiophile that I have to have
top end response, just decent tunes. I like the idea of keeping a couple
thumb drives and/or SD cards in the car a lot better than a DOZEN or so
CDs! A 256MB thumb drive/SD card is cheap enough, and will hold several
CDs of music, especially when I weed out the stuff I don't like on a CD.
---- original message ----------
" From: "Kim Bueler" <kimbueler@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" If I had known this a year ago, I wouldn't have spent over $800 to
have a
" top of the line AM/FM MP3 player with remote installed in my car -
sure the
" car looks stock since I left the original AM radio installed and just
placed
" the remoter sender in an unobtrusive place in the dash and had the
radio
" installed in the back of the car but geez for under $400 you can get
an IPOD
" with an FM transmitter and use it anywhere.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 04:16:16 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Proportioning Valve
To: <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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AMC used two pressure settings: 400 psi for Rebel/Matador/Ambo, 200 psi
for everyting else. So there was no fine tuning. The easiest thing to do
is get an adjustable proportioning valve and install it in the rear
brake line after the existing junction block. You can get them that have
pressure settings on them -- check various hot rod shops, Summit, and
Jegs. That would make it easy -- just set it to 400 psi.
Alternately, get a GM combo valve. MP Brakes (www.mpbrakes.com)
recommends (and sells) that. It's used on all there hot rod and muscle
car installations. I don't know what psi it's set at, neither do they
for that matter. I suspect it's somewhere between 200 and 400 psi
though. It will take a little more plumbing work.
Any valve from a big AMC will work, but note that in the 70s the big car
combo valve also had a metering function. That prevents the front brakes
from applying until ~100 psi is built up (a fraction of a second). It
takes ~100 psi to overcome the springs in drum brakes, so the metering
valve makes sure all four brakes apply at the same time. The drawback is
the plumbing -- two lines go fromt the master cylinder to the combo
valve with NO "T" to the right front caliper. The combo valve then has
three lines from it -- both front lines and a rear line. I don't know if
this setup was used through 78 or not, but as far as I've been able to
determine metering was never used on small cars. The late model (80s)
small car/Eagle comboi valve should work equally well -- it's a GM combo
valve. The small cars got heavier as time and safety regs progressed.
Check out XJ Cherokees as well. I've got an aluminum master cylinder and
combo valve (mounted very near the master) from one of those that I'd
intended to use, then decided to convert a Ford Ranger power brake
booster and master.
With the adjustable valve you can get a short length of brake line (6"
is the shortest I've seen) and connect it directly to the junction
block. Then make an "S" bend in the original line and no lines will need
to be cut. Just make sure the "S" bend doesn't put the line to close to
the exhaust.
----- original message --------
I'm trying to get started on changing over my Rebel to disc brakes from
drum. I have a complete front brake setup that I've had for yrs - all
well-worn, but all there. I had forgot what it came from, but from doing
some investigation, and comparing pictures of the calipers on
www.advanceautoparts.com, it looks to be the later ones that were used
on Eagles, some Jeeps, '82-3 Concords and Spirits. I was gonna test fit
everything together on the car, then exchange the calipers and rotors
for new/rebuilt. What I can't find is the proper proportioning valve for
this setup. Advance Auto has no listing. I'd think that any disc brake
car remote mounted valve would work. Anyone have ideas on where to find
one? I haven't explored the Napa site yet, or Autozone for that matter,
but thought I'd throw that out there. I'll probably keep it as manual
disc for now, just want it valved right; will sure be better than the
front drum setup I have on it now.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:07:38 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Proportioning Valve
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Jim forget the auto parts stores and get a Jeggs catalog and order a
Wilwood adjustable proportioning valve and plum it into the line going
to the rear brakes. I used on on my Hornet disc brake conversion and set
it in the middle of the adjustment range and never had to touch it. That
was 2 years ago.
"Doc"
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 00:42:34 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AM radio computer MP3 player...
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Too bad MP3 is such low-fidelity music...
http://www.bbesound.com/technologies/BBE_MP/
Ken
Quoting Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Almost every DIN chasis out there above $100 has inputs as well as outputs
> now.
> Sony even makes a player with memory built in the head unit. You plug it into
> you computer with a USB cabl;e download your music and carry it back out to
> your car. Your all set, no IPOD to plug in No FM transistor. I think it's a
> 1GB memory IIRC. I was considering one for my truck when I Ebayed the 4 disc
> AM/FM unit for Less than $80. So I used my Rambler mentality and said fooey
> on it! 4 discs of burnt disc music is enough to keep me from getting bored!
> The FM stations around these parts SUCK!
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > " From: "Kim Bueler" <kimbueler@xxxxxxxxx>
> > "
> > "
> > " If I had known this a year ago, I wouldn't have spent over $800 to have a
>
> > " top of the line AM/FM MP3 player with remote installed in my car - sure
> the
> > " car looks stock since I left the original AM radio installed and just
> placed
> > " the remoter sender in an unobtrusive place in the dash and had the radio
>
> > " installed in the back of the car but geez for under $400 you can get an
> IPOD
> > " with an FM transmitter and use it anywhere.
> >
> > high end cars are now coming with ipod holsters and jacks. i'd
> > imagine there are aftermkt din-chassis radios set up for ipod input...
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > Andrew Hay the genius nature
> > internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> > adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:15:50 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Engine Timing
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Don the vacuum gauge method is new to me but I can see how it would
work. While it probably would not work on the modern tech cars of today
I don't see why it would not work on cars of the 70's. My method of
timing under a load needs a fine hand and a good ear as does my way of
adjusting a carb needs a good ear. But then again I been doing it for
over 40 years. Both methods were taught to me by my father who served
his mechanic's apprenticeship in Germany before getting out with his
father who also was a mechanic in 1932 before Hitler took over. On new
cars I haven't a clue. That's why I have 2 74 Hornet's and my newest car
a 77 Chevy beater.
"Doc"
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