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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 3 sp transmission (Sandwich Maker)
2. Re: Little Tiny Cat (Sandwich Maker)
3. State To State Emissions Tests (Mr. AMC)
4. rear end wanted (Eddie Stakes)
5. 65 American for sale (Eddie Stakes)
6. javelin kick panel wanted (Eddie Stakes)
7. current, or ex race amc wanted (Eddie Stakes)
8. magnum 500s wanted & wheel question (Eddie Stakes)
9. 81 SX/4 for sale $500 (Eddie Stakes)
10. 3spd stick w/od wanted (Eddie Stakes)
11. Re: 3 sp transmission wanted (Jim Boone)
12. Re: Little Tiny Cat (Michael Bailey)
13. Re: 3 sp transmission wanted (Sandwich Maker)
14. Re: rear end wanted (Sandwich Maker)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:44:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 3 sp transmission
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606152244.k5FMiFA16208@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Jim Boone" <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" >From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
" >
" >i didnt catch the name, but i saw someone was wanting a 3 spd that will
" >hold up to a v8. i have a t86 3 speed with overdrive. it is in great shape.
" ><snip> the overdrive has the torque tube mount on it.
"
" I don't think this will work because of the torque tube mount; I'd need a
" regular yoke setup. Don't know if it's a simple matter of taking that off,
" maybe someone here can elaborate. I'd still need to come up with the
" correct tailshaft, yoke, and bellhousing IF a later bell would work as a
" bolt-on with this trans. That's why I like to find complete setups that I
" know have/will work together.
afaik you can just replace the stub o/d tailshaft etc with an
open-drive setup - or alternatively you could go the other way, if you
were lucky enough to find a rare t14+o/d or t15+o/d setup and wanted a
full-synchro tranny. i was once told a t14+o/d was exactly the same
length as a non-o/d t96 - and silly me, i passed on it.
" Anyone know if a '71 up bell mount to this transmission?
if i'm right, the '66-'74 t-10 bell has a square pattern that this
tranny and the t15 fits.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:08:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Little Tiny Cat
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606152308.k5FN83f16291@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
"
" []
"
" According to the literature I have read (Don't ask me
" where, because I couldn't tell you now.) the 2-bbl 258
" engine was supposed to have a hotter cam too, but I
" don't know the specs. If anyone can shed any light
" on this, I would appreciate it.
that's true, all but 2bbl sticks two years had a more radical cam,
and supposedly you could retard the 2bbl cam 13deg for a big boost in
mid/upper power. the amc showroom stock racers made use of this and i
wonder if this wasn't [partly] the reason for the cam's existence.
from a 'stock replacement cams' pg of unknown provenance:
lobe ctr
engine years dur@xxxxx" lift int/exh
258 2bbl
'76-'80 a.t.
'76-'78 m.t. 194 0.397" 109/111
all others
'65-'79 185 0.408" 109/111
and fyi -
242 [4.0]
'87-'91 197 0.398" 110/114
from my '66 tsm, duration 'on the ramps' for the 'all others' cam is
244. iirc the 'hot' cam is something like 259.
" BTW the term above "jury rig" is a nautical term and
" it's not "jerry rig" or "gerry rig" or anything else.
" Pet peeve from an ex-Navy guy.
i'm with ya! same thing gets me when i hear 'it doesn't jive'...
[the right word is 'gibe', another nautical term]
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:58:15 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] State To State Emissions Tests
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <17459-4491F417-1880@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
In N.Y. state after a car is over 25 years old it only has to pass a
safety inspection and nothing emissions in N.Y.. That leaves me in the
area that I can remove all the useless add on's that were added by AMC
to pass the emissions at the time which made the engines of the mid to
late 70's run poorly and have poor gas mileage and actually mine run
cleaner with a few modifications that I made that were not allowed back
then. I did them anyway and the cars always passed the sniffer. Is there
somthing wrong here???? A 74 car with a re-jetted Holley Economaster
carb and points with a re-curved dist. and an Acell Super Coil, a B&M
Trans Pack set on firm, i got 17-18 in the city and 28-29 on the highway
with E-60-14 Bias ply tires in th late 70's. With a Hornet Hatchback
that was just over 3,000 lbs.
"Doc"
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:01:22 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] rear end wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Jimjam186@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <02dc01c690d8$a8f015c0$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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Looking for a Model 20 rear end for a 67-69 Rambler American. Located in
Western Pennsylvania. Thanks Eddie. James Gurall jimjam186@xxxxxxx
================================
anyone with a rear end for sale or can give him tips on what might
interchange please feel free to comment and thanks to all who might.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:00:21 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 65 American for sale
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <Rambler63@xxxxxxx>
Cc: Bobby11365@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <02db01c690d8$a89c9e90$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
1965 Rambler American 330: 28k original miles...4 door...6 cyl...excellent
condition....NO RUST...daily driver....new radials installed....auto...runs,
drives, shifts like new....I am 3rd owner...have service manuals and
literature....THIS CAR IS SLICK!!!!! Montego Rose color with brown/tan
interior....I would rate this car a 8.5-9 out of 10......will only sell to
an appreciative buyer....this is definitely a slice of AMC history....Bob
Henson Bobby11365@xxxxxxx 918-664-1146
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anyone interested in the Rambler above please give them a shout, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:02:44 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] javelin kick panel wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: my_amc_javelin@xxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <02dd01c690d8$a93eaaf0$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I am looking for a passenger side kick panel for my 74 Javelin. Green would
be great but color not as inportant, however it must be in real good
condition with no screw holes broken. I already have one of that type.
Please call or email with price. Thanks, Marty Davis
my_amc_javelin@xxxxxxxxx 1-705-329-2377
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anyone with a kick panel for sale give them a shout above thanks
*Marty, note if you go back into my 'amc classifieds' and scroll upwards,
there is someone about a month ago who is parting out several 71-74 Javelins
and AMXs*
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:05:07 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] current, or ex race amc wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: wolfefamilyemail@xxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <02df01c690d8$a9ecc540$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
WANTED: Current or x race car for a pro street project. Thanks for the
space Eddie. Eric Wolfe wolfefamilyemail@xxxxxxxxxxx 440-655-1775
=================================
anyone wish to give help out give Eric a shout above thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:03:56 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] magnum 500s wanted & wheel question
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Gary L. Kirk" <glkirkbuilders@xxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <02de01c690d8$a9994e10$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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Looking for a set of 4 Magnum 500s. These will go on my 65 American with the
original 6 banger, so they can be on the smaller side. (not even sure if
more than one size was used.) I am not sure of any different backsets
either? I will consider any usable set, altho a set painted up the proper
way would be nice. I do not need the center caps but do need a set of the
retainers. I can get the chrome rings anywhere. I can be reached anytime at
757 651 4513 glkirkbuilders@xxxxxxx Gary L. Kirk 757 482 0240
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anyone wanting to comment please feel free to give gary a shout above thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:08:16 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 81 SX/4 for sale $500
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Doug Shepard" <dshepard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: amcphil@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <030301c690d9$9bdf8d60$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
1981 SPIRIT SX4 (4X4) COMPLETE DRIVE TRAIN ON A ROLLING CHASSIC. I PURCHASED
THIS CAR FROM A SALVAGE YARD. IT HAS NO PAPERS OR TITLE. I PURCHASED THIS
CAR FOR THE SHEET METAL. THE DRIVE TRAIN IS COMPLETE WITH A 151 CU.IN.
ENGINE THAT IS SEIZED UP FROM SITTING, IT HAS A 4 SPEED,TRANSFR CASE.DRIVE
SHAFT,REAR END, RADIATOR,ALT FAN,ETC. JUST A FEW INTERIOR PARTS. THE SIDE
GLASS AND QUARTER PANELS ARE GOOD. THIS WOULD MAKE A GOOD PARTS CAR. ASKING
$500.00 OBO PHIL CLIFTON amcphil@xxxxxxxxxxxx 502.722.0715
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anyone interested in the SX/4 give Phil a shout above thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:07:10 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 3spd stick w/od wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: pville@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <030101c690d9$9b506cc0$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I am looking for a 3speed stick w/overdrive from a mid 60s Ambassador with
twinstick. The trans should be stamped T85-K. I do not need the shift
linkage, just the trans. Please email me or call Perry at 608/209-2722.
Thank You. Perry Berthold pville@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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anyone that can help Perry out give him a shout above thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:50:59 -0400
From: "Jim Boone" <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 3 sp transmission wanted
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY116-F2932B17001A2E7E27A48EAC830@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 5:51:44 -0700
>From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 3 sp transmission wanted
>For towing, you'd be hard pressed to beat the 727, Go with a low gear set
>for extra grunt if your rebuilding it IIRC they are not that expensive.
>That way you can keep Higher gears in the axle and still get the rig
>rolling. For top of the line pulling and cruising throw in a Gear vendors
>overdrive! then you have a full 6 speed automatic! of course your wallet
>will be $2500-$3000 lighter by the time you buy the controller and
>everything."
I agree that using/rebuilding the 727 I already have would be a wise choice.
Just thought I'd ask about available 3 speeds, ya never know!
Andrew's comments in a later post about using a beefed-up 998 would work as
well, and is worth looking into. I don't intend to haul a trailer full of
bricks, just want the capability to take the American on a trailer to car
shows behind the wagon.
I also don't really want a floor shift if I can avoid it. The idea of doing
a 4 sp on the column like your friend's Cheby truck is interesting, never
thought of that! But, I just sold a good T10 combo as luck would have it.
Something I do have, that I had intended to get rid of, is one of the "fake
toploaders". These were 4 speeds, but 4th was an OD, and were produced in
the late 70's. Mine has a "D7" tailshaft code, which is '77 in fordspeak,
and was built in '77 or '78 from what I can find out. These supposedly
don't have alot of torque capability - they weren't built for performance -
but they might have sufficient strength for what I want, not sure. I
haven't actually found any accurate torque ratings for them.
The Gear Vendor's OD would be ideal behind the 727, but I think if I was to
spend that kind of money, I could do things cheaper, er, I mean, more cost
effective, by buying a well-built 700R4 and install using an adapter from
Advance Adapters, or buy one used as they are out there in the Jeep
community. I haven't looked in awhile, but I think you can buy the R4's
already built from TCI or the like for ~$1500 or so.
I do have access to a free 200R4 that came out of a SS Monte Carlo - like an
early-mid '80's car. These supposedly were the good ones. Not sure what it
would take to make it worthy for my purposes.
I think this just keeps putting me back to the 727 sitting there quietly
underneath one of my workbenches...
Jim Boone
Mims, FL
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:40:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Little Tiny Cat
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060616024035.66784.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Little Tiny Cat
...According to the literature I have read (Don't ask
me
where, because I couldn't tell you now.) the 2-bbl 258
engine was supposed to have a hotter cam too, but I
don't know the specs. If anyone can shed any light
on this, I would appreciate it.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
-------> Joe, according to one 1976 SAE
specifications sheet, the 1V 258 put out 110 hp and
the 2V put out 120 hp. The sheet I have doesn't list
cam specs, but it does list that option only on the
Pacer and CJ7. I personally don't think it would
require anything more than a carb and manifold for
slightly less than a 10% increase in rated hp.
mike
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:56:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 3 sp transmission wanted
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606160356.k5G3uMX17242@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Jim Boone" <fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
"
" I also don't really want a floor shift if I can avoid it. The idea of doing
" a 4 sp on the column like your friend's Cheby truck is interesting, never
" thought of that! But, I just sold a good T10 combo as luck would have it.
just as well, i think. the amc t10s are all performance oriented and
relatively close ratio, and even the later s3 super t10s weren't rated
that high in torque cap.
now, a toploader with jeep gears [3.52 1st] and maybe 31 spline
mainshaft would be well suited and hard to break...
" Something I do have, that I had intended to get rid of, is one of the "fake
" toploaders". These were 4 speeds, but 4th was an OD, and were produced in
" the late 70's. Mine has a "D7" tailshaft code, which is '77 in fordspeak,
" and was built in '77 or '78 from what I can find out. These supposedly
" don't have alot of torque capability - they weren't built for performance -
" but they might have sufficient strength for what I want, not sure. I
" haven't actually found any accurate torque ratings for them.
this would be excellent for some late-'70s amc owner who always wanted
a 3sp+o/d but only has the 3sp; it's a straight drop-in driveline wise.
[ummm if it's an iron cased side shifter, the srod input shaft is 1/2"
too long, though it's swappable]
ford also used 'fake toploaders' in pickups well into the '80s ['87?],
but they are almost a different box - larger bearings inside and out,
and gear ratios all slightly off suggesting stronger internals. dunno
what engines they were used with, but offhand a fair chance they'd take
tow duty well. you're still stuck with a floor shifter.
" I do have access to a free 200R4 that came out of a SS Monte Carlo - like an
" early-mid '80's car. These supposedly were the good ones. Not sure what it
" would take to make it worthy for my purposes.
advance adapters. adapter ring made to allow gm th400s to serve in
place of jeep th400s, but also adapt any other gm auto and could also
mount stick bellhousing. on your own for 200-4r flexplate though.
again a towing/rv buildup. some folks consider these stronger than
700r4s. btw they're the desired swap for older gms; same length/spline
as th350, same rear mount loc as th400.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:06:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] rear end wanted
To: Jimjam186@xxxxxxx, mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606160406.k5G46Kw17293@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Looking for a Model 20 rear end for a 67-69 Rambler American. Located in
" Western Pennsylvania. Thanks Eddie. James Gurall jimjam186@xxxxxxx
" ================================
" anyone with a rear end for sale or can give him tips on what might
" interchange please feel free to comment and thanks to all who might.
i've heard that a '76-'82? ['narrow track'] cj amc20 is the same or
close. of course you need one with a centered diff, and you need to
change the jeep 5x5.5" hubs for car 5x4.5" ones. to that end you'd
want one with 10" brakes; you can just slip late-'70s 10" car drums
on after the hub swap.
this all assumes the cj rear -is- a good match.
another possibility if you're not worried about originality, is a
'73-6 dart v8/disk 8.25" rear. width is very close to the american,
disk brake darts have a 4.5" bolt circle [lh thd one side though], and
the 8.25 was considered strong enough for 318s.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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