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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Timing (EdForrest@xxxxxxx)
2. Re: my 62 classic project (Sandwich Maker)
3. Re: my 62 classic project (Mark Price)
4. Leads wanted for 1958-159 hardtops (wd0fli@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
5. anyone have doug nash O/D wiring diagram? (Jim Blair)
6. 401's For Sale (Jock J Jocewicz)
7. my 62 classic project (d stohler)
8. Re: my 62 classic project (Sandwich Maker)
9. Save a 65 Marlin! (For Sale - Central Texas (Austin)) (Arfon)
10. Fw: distributar question (Eddie Stakes)
11. Re: Fw: distributar question (Sandwich Maker)
12. Re: my 62 classic project (Mark Price)
13. One of the best car chases ever! (amc73@xxxxxxxxxxx)
14. Re: Survivors & Works In Progress (Jock J Jocewicz)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:27:01 EDT
From: EdForrest@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Timing
To: francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: HProduction38@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <26d.ae77f11.31c00915@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Frank...you are too darned good for words!!! Many thanks. This thing is
really getting to the point that it is pretty competitive. We put new paint
on it...got in a tangle with a couple of cars in March.
All the best,
ed
In a message dated 6/12/2006 3:14:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Ed, I'm assuming you're running a 4.0L block and possibly head, but
using a carburetor and standard distributor? Did you use the 4.0L timing
cover or the 258? I'm not sure the timng marks will line up correctly
unless you use the timing cover for the balancer you used (258 timing
cover and balancer will work). That said, forget about the timing light
and try timing "by ear". Once the car is running just turn the
distributor until it appears to run smooth. Take it out and run it. If
it pings, retard timing. If it doesn't, try turning it up a little.
The headers glowing might be from a rich condition, not timing.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:51:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606131351.k5DDptE25864@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" []
"
" I'm not sure about the strength of the Jeep T-5. Should be a standard
" T-5, nothing special. That means it's as strong as a non-world class
" Mustang T-5, and should hold up under a mild 304 as long as you aren't
" banging the gears too hard.
afaik the '83-5 5.0 t-5 was rated 240 ft-lbs, a tick higher than the
jeep's 220. i think this has something to do with output torque as
the 'stang 1st is 2.95 vs. the jeep's 4.03.
btw this 5.0 box has the stupidest 5th - 0.63. with the spacing of
the other gears it's tall enough to be a good 6th, with an 0.8 5th in
between! too bad they prototyped but never made a t-6...
" Down-shifting puts more strain on the trans
" than up-shifts, by the way. Be a little careful on down-shifting,
" especially into first and second. Your car should weigh a bit less than
" an 80s Mustang, around the same at the most.
it kinda dilutes the fun if you have to pussyfoot the tranny though,
and if you have to get one why not a later stronger unit?
" There are a couple T-5 sites that have specs, a search should turn
" some up.
i've found charts on ford-app t-5s but nothing comparable on anyone
else's. luckily for us, fords are the ones that count.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 7:11:04 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <15258113.1150207864297.JavaMail.root@web17>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
World class, shmourld class.
Whatever, For driver car that is not hammered I've never bought into the whole idea that the world class trans was/is such a great improvement. Unless you move up to the Zcode trans or the Cobra spec a driver car driven by someone who can shift with respect will do equally well with either the world class or non world class. My 84 Mustang trans shifted well and held up fine to some spirited driving and the 2.95 geared T-5 I want to put in the American will be non world class based as that is the easiest source for lowcost parts. The 80's mustang world class trans where known for stripping off third gear, and the synchronisers don't do well either over time, some improvement! If you are building fresh and driving it hard, by all means go world class z spec. If you just want a nice driver, either world or non world will do fine, just get the ratio you want.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " []
> "
> " I'm not sure about the strength of the Jeep T-5. Should be a standard
> " T-5, nothing special. That means it's as strong as a non-world class
> " Mustang T-5, and should hold up under a mild 304 as long as you aren't
> " banging the gears too hard.
>
> afaik the '83-5 5.0 t-5 was rated 240 ft-lbs, a tick higher than the
> jeep's 220. i think this has something to do with output torque as
> the 'stang 1st is 2.95 vs. the jeep's 4.03.
>
> btw this 5.0 box has the stupidest 5th - 0.63. with the spacing of
> the other gears it's tall enough to be a good 6th, with an 0.8 5th in
> between! too bad they prototyped but never made a t-6...
>
> " Down-shifting puts more strain on the trans
> " than up-shifts, by the way. Be a little careful on down-shifting,
> " especially into first and second. Your car should weigh a bit less than
> " an 80s Mustang, around the same at the most.
>
> it kinda dilutes the fun if you have to pussyfoot the tranny though,
> and if you have to get one why not a later stronger unit?
>
> " There are a couple T-5 sites that have specs, a search should turn
> " some up.
>
> i've found charts on ford-app t-5s but nothing comparable on anyone
> else's. luckily for us, fords are the ones that count.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:28:40 -0400
From: "wd0fli@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <wd0fli@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Leads wanted for 1958-159 hardtops
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <380-220066213152840875@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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When I was very young my father owned a 1958 Ambassador 4 door hardtop. He
sold it to a friend 35 years ago and lost track of it. I know these cars
are hard to find, but he is looking for leads on any 4 door hardtops for
sale. The ulimate find would be a black 1958 ambassador with manual
transmission, but he would be interested in others (even with 6 cylinder
engines) as well. If anyone knows of one for sale please e-mail me at
wd0fli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Thanks!
Scott
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:12:11 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] anyone have doug nash O/D wiring diagram?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F4D2BE6E216200D7E53B4AAC8C0@xxxxxxx>
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http://www.partsmike.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2970
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:56:02 -0500
From: Jock J Jocewicz <namdra@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 401's For Sale
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Just passing this on:
Hi Jock,
I've got (4 ) 401 engines I need to get rid
of. I'm loosing my storage. I thought I'd give my Amc
friends a shot at them before I put them on the net. I
pulled one of them down and it is an original bore
block. I'm asking $ 500 apiece. Someone could make some
money on them . If you or anyone you
know is interested , you can E-mail me at
Chrisc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx or 541 747 0818
Todd Fitzgerald
THANKS
Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx
8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326
JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!!
'06 AMC NATIONALS - SEP. 14-16, 2006 - CORDOVA DRAGWAY PARK, CORDOVA, IL
AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974, NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:28:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060613182825.19542.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
is the floor pan a similar length in my 62 classic to use a 'stang tranny with tailhousing? i want to still be able to slide my seats forward, as it makes the bed. all i have found s10 t5's for is the 4 cyl. im quite sure they are real weak arent they? they still are not much cheaper than a stang either. i am still unable to know what gear i might have in the axle now. someone posted gear for an o/d equiped. i guess they didnt read that i was a non o/d putting one in. it is a 62 classic custom, 196, 3 speed 2 door.
i supose, if the tail shaft for a stang t5 puts the shifter back to far, i can modify the seats in the middle section, when i tear tem down to reupholster them. make a gap on the front inner corner of them. its the 50/50 bench. make kinda a U shape right between them for the shifter i guess.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:26:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606131926.k5DJQSt02285@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" is the floor pan a similar length in my 62 classic to use a 'stang
" tranny with tailhousing? i want to still be able to slide my seats
" forward, as it makes the bed. all i have found s10 t5's for is the
" 4 cyl. im quite sure they are real weak arent they? they still are
" not much cheaper than a stang either. i am still unable to know
" what gear i might have in the axle now. someone posted gear for an
" o/d equiped. i guess they didnt read that i was a non o/d putting
" one in. it is a 62 classic custom, 196, 3 speed 2 door.
s-10 t5s are much the same as jeep ones, even use the same internals
some years -- but you don't need the whole tranny, just the tailshaft
housing. put it on a 'stang t5 for a fwd shifter loc, that's what the
rodders do. you might want the s-10 front bearing retainer too; amc
t5s [and their bells] have the smaller gm diameter, not the slightly
larger ford size, and it might save you some machine work.
if you want to keep your torque tube, you might be able to fab
something using a jeep t5 t/c adapter and a custom block adapting the
tt to the t/c pattern. dunno if you'd be stuck for a speedo drive
though; i think jeeps drive it from the t/c.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:27:37 -0500
From: Arfon <Arfon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Save a 65 Marlin! (For Sale - Central Texas
(Austin))
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: hollandclay@xxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060613151650.03ad4ec0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
There's a white 1965 Marlin for sale down the street.
The guys has $1000 obo posted on it but when I talked to him, the price was
pretty flexible. I won't say specifics, if you want it, you need to make
the deal.
It's rough but certainly saveable. The car runs but need the brakes
rebuild. It has the 1965 disc front discs but he bought a set of 1966 parts
to convert it. The front windshield needs to be replaced.
If you are immediately interested his information is:
Richard Boudreau
512-587-2045 (cell)
hollandclay@xxxxxxxxxxx (<--his friend)
He's moving and needs to find a good home for this soon.
I'll take some photos and post them.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:42:12 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: distributar question
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Ron Segura <rsegura23@xxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <007101c68f35$41d562e0$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Ron mentions a distributor from a Caddy fitting a 290, wasn't me he talked to, possibly AJ, however, I mentioned I would toss this out here inc ase anyone else wishes to comment and possibly help out, thanks in advance to all who might reply.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*email is currently HEAVY
Call if important*
www.planethoustonamx.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Segura rsegura23@xxxxxxx
To: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:54 PM
Subject: distributar
Hi Eddie,
Ronald Segura here. I talked to you a while back. You told me one of the Cadilack HEI distributars would work in my 290 AMX. I located a salvage dealer who is helping me find stuf for my AMX. He said he can find me the distributar if I can find out what year. Can you help me there. By the way he got me a Mustaing II rack and pinion steering for the AMX. That and the dist. is my next project. Thanks rsegura23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:12:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fw: distributar question
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx, rsegura23@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606132212.k5DMCGr04363@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Ron mentions a distributor from a Caddy fitting a 290, wasn't me he
" talked to, possibly AJ, however, I mentioned I would toss this out
" here inc ase anyone else wishes to comment and possibly help out,
" thanks in advance to all who might reply.
"
" ----- Original Message -----
" From: Ron Segura rsegura23@xxxxxxx
"
"
" Hi Eddie,
" Ronald Segura here. I talked to you a while back. You told me one of
" the Cadilack HEI distributars would work in my 290 AMX. I located a
" salvage dealer who is helping me find stuf for my AMX. He said he can
" find me the distributar if I can find out what year. Can you help me
" there. By the way he got me a Mustaing II rack and pinion steering
" for the AMX. That and the dist. is my next project.
" Thanks rsegura23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
" _______________________________________________
if this is true --
afaik since they introed the 472 they've had only one caddy v8 [472,
500, 425, 368], and that was a redesign of the previous 390/429. i'd
think that as with the six you'd want a late '70s one, when timing was
still controlled non-electronically.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:24:51 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <18651626.1150237491202.JavaMail.root@web21>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I think the Jeep tailhousing will be too short to work for adapting to a torque tube. You will likely end up a good foot shorter than the torque tube tranny!
The S-10 T-5 housing and shifter would work for shifter placement to keep the bench seat. Also the unobtainable 2wd AMC tailhousing is farther forward than the Ford units. I've heard runours of a Chevette T-5 that is a match for the AMC tailhousing.
I've got the AMC based trans in my American now and think it would barely clear a bench. Search out T-5 swaps into early Chevy trucks there is a website, maybe inliners.com or org, that has an excellent writeup on swapping T-5 gears and shifter/tailshaft housings.
If anyone has an AMC T-5 core I'd like to get one to build mine from, so keep me in mind.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> s-10 t5s are much the same as jeep ones, even use the same internals
> some years -- but you don't need the whole tranny, just the tailshaft
> housing. put it on a 'stang t5 for a fwd shifter loc, that's what the
> rodders do. you might want the s-10 front bearing retainer too; amc
> t5s [and their bells] have the smaller gm diameter, not the slightly
> larger ford size, and it might save you some machine work.
>
> if you want to keep your torque tube, you might be able to fab
> something using a jeep t5 t/c adapter and a custom block adapting the
> tt to the t/c pattern. dunno if you'd be stuck for a speedo drive
> though; i think jeeps drive it from the t/c.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
> _______________________________________________
> AMC-List mailing list
> AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
>
> or go to http://www.amc-list.com
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:41:08 -0700
From: <amc73@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] One of the best car chases ever!
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <200606132241.k5DMf9Ng060794@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Well, we all knew it was true but now we have proof.
Entertainment Weekly just ranked on their website the "top 10 Hollywood car
chases ever," and the AMC chase from "The Man With the Golden Gun" came in
at number 4! You can even watch the chase scene online.
Here's the link:
Feature: See the car chase scene in ''The Man With the Golden Gun''
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,456997_1||233612|1_0_,00.html
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:14:42 -0500
From: Jock J Jocewicz <namdra@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Survivors & Works In Progress
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060613.191442.-16499709.1.NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Just a reminder that at the '06 AMC NATIONALS, Cordova Dragway Park,
Cordova, IL, Sep. 14-16, 2006 that for all of you that have a survivor or
work in progress we do have a class for you in the car show and that is
the "Unfinished" class and you can always race your vehicle too!
Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx
8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326
JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!!
'06 AMC NATIONALS - SEP. 14-16, 2006 - CORDOVA DRAGWAY PARK, CORDOVA, IL
AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974, NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766
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