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Today's Topics:

   1. Plastic Valve Covers on the 258 (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
   2. Re: Another source for wiring diagrams.... (Sandwich Maker)
   3. Plastic Valve Covers on the 258 (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
   4. Plastic Valve Covers on the 258 (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
   5. Plastic Valve Cover on 258 (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
   6. Modifications (Mr. AMC)
   7. Water Temp Sender Location (Mr. AMC)
   8. Re: Plastic Valve Covers on the 258 (Tom Jennings)
   9. Un-alternating.... (J Johnson)
  10. Re: Plastic Valve Covers on the 258 (Tom Jennings)
  11. Re: Water Temp Sender Location (Tom Jennings)
  12. (one of the) most beautiful cars I've ever seen... (Tom Jennings)
  13. Re: plastic valve covers on the 258 (Eddie Stakes)
  14. Re: Un-alternating.... (Sandwich Maker)
  15. Nash, heal thee (Mahoney, John)
  16. Sportabout Changeling (Mr. AMC)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:01:02 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Plastic Valve Covers on the 258
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List)
Message-ID:
	<060820061201.6664.4488117D000CA13300001A0821587667550B9D010C029D0E0D050C0E06@xxxxxxx>
	


> 
> Deformed on the driver's side along the exhaust manifold? 
> 
> -Spro 

These puppies are the nastiest looking things I've ever seen.  The SX/4 has been tightened down so far the cover is colapsed at least 3/4" at the hold down studs.  The Concord isn't that bad, but is showing signs of cracking and is obviously misaligned with the sealing surface.

Jack


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:05:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Another source for wiring diagrams....
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606081205.k58C5aC09341@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" 
" 
" 
" And yes, GM did use the BW OD on the back of Saginaw transmissions.

afaik they were the only ones [in the '60s anyway] to use their own
trannies.  also, the sag is unusual in modern design in having a
separate mainshaft and tailshaft, making it possible for hotrod to
swap an o/d from a 3sp sag to a 4sp in a mid-'70s article.

" Ford used them also.

and that was generally their last usage of light duty warners until
the sr4/t4/t5 - '67 mustang 289 t-86+o/d, '71 f100 390 t-89+o/d [which
is the last r10 i've found also].

" I'm pretty sure Chrysler did too.

i can't recall specifics, but all in all it would be more surprising
if they didn't.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:15:41 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Plastic Valve Covers on the 258
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List)
Message-ID:
	<060820061215.19775.448814ED0008D19A00004D3F21587667550B9D010C029D0E0D050C0E06@xxxxxxx>
	


> Very, very common problem. Get an aftermarket aluminum cover from 4WD 
> hardware or similar place and it will clear up the problems. I have one 
> on each of my Eagles and I like the 4WD one better but YMMV. 
> Wayne 

Thanks Wayne,

Great pictures and your suggestion seems to be the fix of choice.  I guess I "need" to add these two cars to the collection at the farm.  I'm a little busy with other projects so they have to wait awhile and then there is that interruption every day called work.

Thanks for your comments,

Jack


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:28:15 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Plastic Valve Covers on the 258
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List)
Message-ID:
	<060820061228.1235.448817DF000B31B5000004D321587667550B9D010C029D0E0D050C0E06@xxxxxxx>
	
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>Got a 76 232 X package Sportabout
>
>John

Thanks for the comments on the plastic vavle covers John, useful information I will keep in mind as the time approaches.

As for the 76 Sportabout, I really have my heart set on a 72.  It's a teenage experience thing.  I have a plethora of parts awaiting to go into a 72 that will become my weekend toy, I need only find one worthy of the effort.  The car needs to be as structurally sound as possible, hint, hint.

Thanks,
Jack

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:31:55 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Plastic Valve Cover on 258
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List)
Message-ID:
	<060820061331.9920.448826CB00077AE2000026C021587667550B9D010C029D0E0D050C0E06@xxxxxxx>
	
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My thanks to all who have responded to my question about the plastic vavle cover problem.  I will forge ahead with aftermarket replacements.  Good information guys, again thanks.

Jack

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:00:04 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Modifications
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, amc_club_of_socal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
	BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, MacsOrphanCarGroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <24525-44885794-807@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Well the grill resto is almost done, I will tac it off and spray the
semi-gloss over the whole thing tomorrow. Damn torrential rain has put
me 2 days behind again. With A/C in a 74 Hornet due to the condenser and
the vertical bracket in the middle of the grill that mounts the hood
latch there is almost no clearance for an auxiliary electric fan. I
found one that is 8"X8"X 2 1/4" deep that should clear everything on the
pass side of the car leaving the drivers side for an auxiliary tranny
oil cooler. The 8"X8" fan may not seem like much but anything will help
in the summer with the A/C on. My bought new 74 Hornet ran hot when new
in the summer with the A/C on. Eliminating the tranny cooler in the
bottom of the radiator with an external auxiliary one and a 2 quart
added capacity tranny oil pan should help lower the heat along with a
nice billet over flow tank. 
"Doc"



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:18:46 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Water Temp Sender Location
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <24526-44885BF6-353@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII

Since this subject has come up recently. I have a question. On both my
74 258 Hornet's the factory water temp sender is in the front of the
head. There is no other spot to put the after market gauge sender except
where that pollution vacuum advanced timing valve is at the drivers side
of the block behind the exhaust manifold. Why is there is a big
temperature difference between the two locations on my orange car and
not so big a difference on my yellow car with the same gauge and sender?
And there is no fan shroud on my yellow car and one in the orange car.
"Doc"



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:24:54 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Plastic Valve Covers on the 258
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1149787494.18314.9.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 12:15 +0000, jackbarncord@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > Very, very common problem. Get an aftermarket aluminum cover from 4WD 
> > hardware or similar place and it will clear up the problems. I have one 
> > on each of my Eagles and I like the 4WD one better but YMMV. 
> > Wayne 
> 

Here's pictures of the aluminum cover I used, I got from Andre Jacobs
(on this list). I had severe clearance problems in the 1970 Hornet
chassis (but fixed them) that don't seem to exist in all years. 

http://wps.com/AMC/1970-AMC-Hornet/May2005.html

Nice looking cover, and seals well now that I used non-hardening
Permatex. Requires tapping the existing plastic-cover dowel holes; and I
had to cut the bolts to the exact length for each hole. Fiddly but
reliable.



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:30:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: J Johnson <imfatdad@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Un-alternating....
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060608173046.47111.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I am hoping that only brushes in my alternator are bad...  65 American,
Does anyone know long after '65 the same altinator was used?? 
According to TSM I have brushes are easily replaced, going to try to
change brushes before I scrap the entire unit.  Local parts store lost
my main guy to new hardware store in town...  kids left on counter know
how to tap into computer only.....  you guys know the deal, cars did
not exist before '70 or so in computer databases......  Parts book,
whats that????  

thanks in advance..

J. 

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:32:22 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Plastic Valve Covers on the 258
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1149787942.18314.18.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 12:28 +0000, jackbarncord@xxxxxxx wrote:

> As for the 76 Sportabout, I really have my heart set on a 72.  It's a
> teenage experience thing.  I have a plethora of parts awaiting to go
> into a 72 that will become my weekend toy, I need only find one worthy
> of the effort.  The car needs to be as structurally sound as possible,
> hint, hint.

No arguing with that! :-)

I like the 70-72 Hornets over later ones by a big margin; the nose is
completely different in style. Vastly cleaner lines, strongly 1960's. In
'73 the lines started getting busy. 70 I like best of all, it's
basically an American with Hornet sheetmetal, with a few anoyances (like
a one-year gas cap & rear panel; nothing else fits it, I can't use one
of those gaudy locking 5 lb. chromie Hornet gascaps).

I'm barely OK with the plastic interior though; my 1963 Classic is
closer to a real car to me and feels like home, and I occasionally get
irrational urges for something with a generator and running boards. It's
becoming a real sickness. (By the usual baby-duck syndrome thing(*), I
should be hot for muscle cars, but I have no interest in V8's.)


(*) Pretty much car nuts latch onto what was cool when they were young
driving age. 20 yr olds want Scions; my father likes rodded T's.



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:40:42 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Water Temp Sender Location
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1149788442.18314.23.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 13:18 -0400, Mr. AMC wrote:

> Since this subject has come up recently. I have a question. On both my
> 74 258 Hornet's the factory water temp sender is in the front of the
> head. There is no other spot to put the after market gauge sender except
> where that pollution vacuum advanced timing valve is at the drivers side
> of the block behind the exhaust manifold. Why is there is a big
> temperature difference between the two locations on my orange car and
> not so big a difference on my yellow car with the same gauge and sender?
> And there is no fan shroud on my yellow car and one in the orange car.

So what is the temp. difference, in round numbers? I'm curious too...

I would think the head temps would be higher than lower down in the
block; most of the heat goes out through the head; that's where
combustion is of course but the expanded gases down in the falling
cylinder have the heat sucked out. Water flow is suckier in the head
too.

You might have a hot spot, normal or otherwise. All I know is, temp.
distribution in a cylinder head is complicated :-)



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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:58:19 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] (one of the) most beautiful cars I've ever seen...
To: amc-list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1149789500.18314.37.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

July 2006 Hemmings Classic Car, somehow I had got through life without
seeing photos of the pre-1952, or was it pre-production (the article is
totally unclear) Nash-Healey. Now I like the headlights-in-grille 1952
NH -- who doesn't -- but the plain thing on p. 70 is a goddamn Nash
Rambler channelled, roof chopped off, cab moved back, and to me pretty
much the prettiest two-seat car I've ever seen, bar none, no exceptions.
Inline six! Three speed! Side curtains! 

Fat chance of ever owning such a thing. Even if one still exists, and I
had buckage to extract it from whoever owned it, I'd be lynched later,
because I would drive the thing, screw collectibility, parking lot dings
and all.

So I've been thinking, how could I make one? I care not for
authenticity, Cars Are For Driving. Clearly it's a stock Nash grille
(article says so and it's also obvious). Hacking a bathtub Rambler is
probably crazily impractical. It's vaguely Healey-ish, but far more
Nash-ish. Oh woe is me.



PS: I think that X-7 Tickford N-H thing the author so loves is an ugly
P.O.S.; exactly the sort of styling sins the British made at the time,
should require jail time for the designers. Looks like it just crawled
out of bed with the blankets dragging behind on the way to the toilet.



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:37:30 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] plastic valve covers on the 258
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <016f01c68b2b$18ef7a40$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

On the metal valve covers, I ended up getting one from Kennedy I believe it 
was, although AJ at South Texas AMC also stocks them. It was just I was able 
to get ahold of Jeff first, AJ get my money next time. This was or my 82 
Eagle which caught fire a few months ago. I adjusted the carb too mcuh and 
the manifold was glowing down there and caught old oil on fire and I was 
able to put it out with pitcher of water quickly. I decided to drive it 
home, about 2 miles, knowing that it would possibly catch fire again, but 
this time I had two gallons of water in car in case. As driving dwon 
Brittmoore I noticed some smoke, and car started running harsh and made it 
to house, driveway trhen lifted hood only to have a hot blast of fire hit 
me, this time was worse, so got hose and sprayed everything off, the valve 
cover was melted off, water got all in carb, engine, steam and smoke 
everywhere.

Amazingly enough I drained the engine, picked the melted cover and hoses of 
next day, changed oil, cranked right up, let it run, no cover, for about 
hour, then changed oil again with fresh oil, no problem. On the valve cover, 
I didn't tap in the holes in the head, simply just bolted it down really 
well with blue Permatex as Tom mentioned. I had heard stories about how hard 
it is to put a valve cover on a Eagle near wiper motor but it was simple, 
just took off the four bolts that hold it to firewall, slid cover under 
while holding up motor, and rebolted it to firewall.

The eagle still runs and drives great no problems and no leaks and has a 
shiny new aluminum valve cover to boot. Good luck with yours.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*email is currently HEAVY
Call if important*
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:59:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Un-alternating....
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606081859.k58IxSt12110@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

" From: J Johnson <imfatdad@xxxxxxxxx>
" 
" I am hoping that only brushes in my alternator are bad...  65 American,
" Does anyone know long after '65 the same alternator was used?? 

motorola alts in the 35/42/55 amp family were used up through '74 or so.
let us know where you locate the parts...
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought


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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:41:50 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Nash, heal thee
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
	<E8DF38ACFC17F94998DE284C5CE4582A02202BC9@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

>>Looks like it just crawled out of bed with the blankets dragging...

...while sinking into a peat bog on the way?
 
http://www.btinternet.com/~aff/TickfordOwnersClub/articles/article7.htm

Today's eyes will not easily see yesterday

http://www.btinternet.com/~aff/TickfordOwnersClub/heal1.htm

http://www.btinternet.com/~aff/TickfordOwnersClub/hist.htm

just as tomorrow's eyes will not see today.

http://chevroletcorvette.free.fr/images/1997a.jpg

Someday someone will write:

"Looks like it just melted onto the pavement from the sun's heat..."

(like Corvette, like Cadillac, of course...)

http://www2.uol.com.br/bestcars/prep-inter/conc-154.htm

and someone will also write:

"Looks like it just proved that fumes from front fender outlets... 

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/2357-1.jpg

made the best of automotive designers look like, well, -boobs-."

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/2357-5.jpg

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/2357-6.jpg

(Same year and same folks who tied a rather good-looking bow tie...
 
http://www.gmphotostore.com/images/53217639_pr.jpg

that other folks re-tied into a good-looking AM bow 3 years later.)

http://faculty.concord.edu/chrisz/hobby/67-DataBook/DataBook-Amb/051.JPG

That's just how it almost always will go.

Looking at art is almost always objective.

Looking back at art is almost always subjective.

Looking ahead at art is almost always a bit of both.

And beauty is almost always in the eye of the beholder.

Except when it's not.

Go figure.



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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:44:24 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Sportabout Changeling
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <10069-44889A38-1965@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII

In 1970 as a fan of the 64-69 Americans I didn't like the first
Hornet's, except for the wagon but was not in the market for a wagon.
The hatchback design is my Hornet of choice otherwise I would never have
bought one except a wagon in the later 70's, but that didn't happen. Is
it possible to put a pre-73 nose on a later Hornet wagon? except for the
rear panel under the hatch it should be pretty close to an early one? I
like the 73 and up nose but prefer the 75-77 grill opposed to the 73-74
grill. I don't however care for the later 5 mph bumpers. I have a plan
on tucking the bumpers closer to the body on my orange car in the
distant future.
"Doc"



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