AMC-List Digest, Vol 5, Issue 17
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Today's Topics:
1. List Request How To (Brien Tourville)
2. IMSA Stuff (Jesse)
3. Re: Water temp unit (John Elle)
4. Plastic Valve Covers on the 258 (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
5. Re: Plastic Valve Covers on the 258 (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
6. 1967 AMC-Rambler AMA Specs? (Dwight Southerland)
7. Re: Plastic Valve Covers on the 258 (Wayne E LaMothe)
8. moving the water sensor (russ hathaway)
9. Humpster for sale in Oregon (russ hathaway)
10. Re: my 62 classic custom project (Tom Jennings)
11. Re: Water temp unit (Tom Jennings)
12. Re: 290-4v/4spd question (Frank Swygert)
13. Freeze (Mahoney, John)
14. Re: Plastic Valve Covers on the 258 (John Elle)
15. my sons first burnout. 1980 AMX (Teamamc)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:37:36 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] List Request How To
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:30:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary Stutz <garystutz@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Posting to AMX files
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I would like to post a request on the list. How do I
do that?
garystutz@xxxxxxxxx
++
Keep typing would be my guess Mr. Stutz.
milnersXcoupe
NEW YORK
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:51:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] IMSA Stuff
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Can't remember the name, but isn't there a DR in
Little Rock that has loads of AMC stuff sitting by a
tire shop? He had a Rollcaged ROad Race Pacer back
there, but I can't remember what else in that Vein.
Have a great week,
Jesse
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 06:16:33 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Water temp unit
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SNIP
" Fan Shrouds were easily available from junkyard Eagles. An I-6 and V8
" Fan Shroud is different as the I-6 fan is just a bit off center, but
if
" you are careful on the mounting of them they will work with the OEM
fans
" when swapped back and forth.
SNIP
SNIP
iirc the eagle motor was mounted a bit off center, because of the
front drive components.
SNIP
While the above comment is true, the I-6 Eagle Fan Shroud mounts
perfectly in line with an I-6 configured Spirit as does other non-Eagle
fan shrouds I have used. However if you try to use an I-6 fan shroud on
a V8 configured car you will find that the opening is in a slightly
different location for a V8 application. It can be done if you are
careful with the mounting.
The same of course holds true if you are trying to mount a V8 configured
shroud on an I-6 configured car.
There are other slight configuration differences too but as you will be
drilling holes in radiator mounting brackets and jockeying around
radiator hoses things will work out.
AFAIK I am referring to, Hornets, Concords Eagles and Spirits. The
reason is that an I-6 fan is mounted slightly off center to the engine
and a V8 appears to be on center. Senior cars should be able to work out
the same way. If my memory is correct I believe Javelins and early AMXs
will swap back and forth between the Hornets etc. too. If you need one
bad enough it will not hurt to try pretty much what ever you find.
John.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:27:16 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Plastic Valve Covers on the 258
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List)
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Hi all,
I stumbled across two AMC's that are available for adoption to a good home for a small fee. 1981 SX/4 with 84k showing and a 1983 Concord wagon I didn't check the mileage.
The one common thing between the cars is the 258 with a plastic valve cover and both are deformed with no possibility of sealing. This is something I have not seen discussed in the last year and some odd months that I have been reading the "List". Is there an aftermarket solution?
BTW - I'm looking for a '72 Hornet Sportabout - V8 preferred.
Thanks,
Jack Barncord
Freeport, IL
70 Hornet, 71 Hornet, 70 Javelin
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:28:52 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Plastic Valve Covers on the 258
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Deformed on the driver's side along the exhaust manifold?
-Spro
-------------- Original message --------------
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
> Hi all,
>
> I stumbled across two AMC's that are available for adoption to a good home for a
> small fee. 1981 SX/4 with 84k showing and a 1983 Concord wagon I didn't check
> the mileage.
>
> The one common thing between the cars is the 258 with a plastic valve cover and
> both are deformed with no possibility of sealing. This is something I have not
> seen discussed in the last year and some odd months that I have been reading the
> "List". Is there an aftermarket solution?
>
> BTW - I'm looking for a '72 Hornet Sportabout - V8 preferred.
>
> Thanks,
> Jack Barncord
> Freeport, IL
> 70 Hornet, 71 Hornet, 70 Javelin
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:21:34 -0500
From: "Dwight Southerland" <dsoutherland@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1967 AMC-Rambler AMA Specs?
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Does anyone out there have a copy of the AMA specs for 1967 AMC? I need to verify some information and it is terribly urgent. Any help is greatly appreciated!!!!
Dwight Southerland
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:44:16 -0400
From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Plastic Valve Covers on the 258
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Very, very common problem. Get an aftermarket aluminum cover from 4WD
hardware or similar place and it will clear up the problems. I have one
on each of my Eagles and I like the 4WD one better but YMMV.
Pics at
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v105/Superglider/Eagle/Valve%20cover/?a
ction=view¤t=P1010198.jpg
Wayne
Wayne & Lisa (Skeezix), Bolton Landing, NY,
http://www.superglider.thinkhost.com/
AMO#8454, 83 Eagle Limited Wagon, 82 SX/4, 258 auto
69 Ambo coupe, 401, M12, 66 Ambo 990 Wagon, 327,PW,PB,PS,posi,AM/FM,AC
88 Jeep J10 360, auto- a Real truck
2001 Cherokee, 2000 Chrysler Cirrus (both hers)
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:27:16 +0000 jackbarncord@xxxxxxx writes:
> Hi all,
>
> I stumbled across two AMC's that are available for adoption to a
> good home for a small fee. 1981 SX/4 with 84k showing and a 1983
> Concord wagon I didn't check the mileage.
>
> The one common thing between the cars is the 258 with a plastic
> valve cover and both are deformed with no possibility of sealing.
> This is something I have not seen discussed in the last year and
> some odd months that I have been reading the "List". Is there an
> aftermarket solution?
>
> BTW - I'm looking for a '72 Hornet Sportabout - V8 preferred.
>
> Thanks,
> Jack Barncord
> Freeport, IL
> 70 Hornet, 71 Hornet, 70 Javelin
> _______________________________________________
> AMC-List mailing list
> AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
>
> or go to http://www.amc-list.com
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:36:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] moving the water sensor
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One thing that always bugged me about the sendor being
by the fan is that the wire is about an inch from the
belt. If the wire isn't secured properly it can be
cut, though I have never lost one. Always seeing the
glass half empty, I guess.....Russ
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Humpster for sale in Oregon
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Located in Salem, a 1971 SST; 304-2v,AT,PS,AC and drum
brakes (manual of course). The body isn't bad, it has
a wrinkled pass rear quarter, bad drivers front fender
with an extra fender, bad windshield. Owner says it
runs though he hasn't tried. The prior owner allowed
his kids to play in the car and it looks like it.
Seems rust free but has a little rust at the bottom of
where the vinal top used to be. $500 and he can be
dickered with. Call him at 971-240-1614.....Russ
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:36:15 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic custom project
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On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 00:50 -0700, d stohler wrote:
> does anyone know where i would get ahold of a 12 volt solenoid and govoner for a borg warner r10 overdrive unit? i can not find any at the online parts stores. napaonline, partsamarica, (aka autozone, advance auto) i just bought a t86 and r10 combo, overdrive does not have solonoid or govoner. thanks for the help.
Your'e gonna have to get those used, from someone who's got parts...
Webb's, Kennedy American, Amer. Parts Depot, ... or get lucky!
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:37:25 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Water temp unit
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 07:22 -0400, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> " From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " Fan Shrouds were easily available from junkyard Eagles. An I-6 and V8
> " Fan Shroud is different as the I-6 fan is just a bit off center, but if
> " you are careful on the mounting of them they will work with the OEM fans
> " when swapped back and forth.
>
> iirc the eagle motor was mounted a bit off center, because of the
> front drive components.
Even on the 01 chassis 70-up, the fan is off-center about 1 -
2" (guesstimate) for the six. Was just in there.
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 00:28:49 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 290-4v/4spd question
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And I can confirm. The only four speed AMC used in the 60s and 70s was
the Borg Warner T-10. There are two or three different versions with
slightly different gear ratios, but all are interchangeable.
On June 6, 2006 andrew hay wrote:
> " From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " I came across the above combo this week-end for $375,
> " seems complete. It is a 68 combo, out of a Jav. I also
> " have a 68 343-4v sitting around doing nothing. Is this
> " a direct bolt on swap?. Is the same tranny and clutch
> " used with both engines?.....Russ
>
> afaik yes.
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:13:11 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Freeze
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>>
Does anyone out there have a copy of the AMA specs for 1967 AMC? I need to verify some information and it is terribly urgent. Any help is greatly appreciated!!!!
<<
When AMC lacks info, ask the General (or Ford the stream...)
http://www.firstgenfirebird.org/firebird/1967/ama/index.html
http://www.camaros.org/crgrefs.shtml#1967Refs
http://www.fomoco.com/library/LIB_mustang-AMA-reports.shtml
When AMA is recalled, recall ALAM, where we began and went.
>From 106 years ago,
http://www.geh.org/ar/strip15/m198130510144.jpg
(yes, kids, the first NY Auto Show...)
http://www.geh.org/ar/strip15/m198130510141.jpg
and 1909 [il] legitimacy to $900k less than ludicrous [!!] in 2005,
http://www.geh.org/ar/strip15/m198130510045.jpg
http://www.geh.org/ar/strip15/m198130510192.jpg
http://www.randworkman.com/featured_event/auction/details.php?id=119
http://www.fee.org/publications/the-freeman/article.asp?aid=3982
American motors grew. But without T. B. Jeffery, did H. B-come Ford?
No. That's why AMC history matters.
It should matter more to AMC owners.
Mattering more to AMC owners now may be the Gremlin (interior and exterior shots) on [first-run] TV. Too bad AMC doesn't keep track now.
http://abc.go.com/primetime/rodney/episodes/2005-06/16.html
AMC owners into freebies (duh!) now can view the AMX 400 (Barris for "Banacek" with Buffalo resto) for free from 6-9 PM tomorrow (or 6/29, 7/13, 7/27 and 8/10) at the Auburn Hills Haus of DaimlerChrysler.
Cruise night plus free admission to muscle car exhibit.
A good buy.
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:13:42 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Plastic Valve Covers on the 258
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SNIP
Hi all,
I stumbled across two AMC's that are available for adoption to a good
home for
a small fee. 1981 SX/4 with 84k showing and a 1983 Concord wagon I
didn't
check the mileage.
The one common thing between the cars is the 258 with a plastic valve
cover and
both are deformed with no possibility of sealing.
SNIP
Deformed on the driver's side along the exhaust manifold?
-Spro
SNIP
If Ford had a better idea complete with the flashing light bulb, AMC's
use of the plastic valve cover was an indicator that the lights were not
all on in the attic.
This was a dismal failure. The plastic would deform when tightened, it
would crack when stressed under heat and age (well duh! What goes on
under the hood?)
And the extra heat where the exhaust comes out of the center of the head
would cause the plastic to deteriorate badly on the driver's side.
Bottom line, this was really a poor idea.
Aftermarket?
There were at least 2 after market improved plastic valve covers. I have
used one of them. The problem with them was they too did not like over
tightening and when trying to install one with the engine in the car and
after many miles of abuse, neglect and oil leaks over tightening was
pretty much going to be a given. Also the recommended sealant was
weather seal glue for the front door of your house. This was also a
really poor choice as the now greasy engine that was extremely hard to
work with when in the car, covered by smog components and vacuum lines
and a really healthy build up of road grime and grease really did not
let the weather seal glue stuff work, if it ever could and I frankly
don't think that it could.
My opinion of one of the aftermarket plastic valve covers was if you
substituted formagasket #2 or formagasket aviation gasket cement it
actually would work.
However the best solution is to install aftermarket aluminum valve
covers. For the most part these are made for Jeep Applications and will
feature Jeep words embossed on the valve cover. These too will be
difficult to install.
1. The cylinder head may not be drilled and tapped for the mounting
screws. There are assorted variations of this theme and almost
impossible to do with any degree of accuracy with the engine located
inside the car.
2. The recommended gasket sealant in some cases is the front door
weather seal cement. Again, not the best choice when dealing with this
application and pre-existing grease etc. use Formagasket #2 or
Formagasket avaiation cement. For those of you that will make a case for
some form of RTV forget it. Use Formagasket #2 or Formagasket aviation
cement.
3. There are after market valve cover solutions, if done carefully
some of them actually work well. If done on an engine sitting on an
engine stand it is an almost guaranteed satisfactory solution.
Are there solutions to this, yup but plan to be frustrated.
SNIP
BTW - I'm looking for a '72 Hornet Sportabout - V8 preferred.
SNIP
Got a 76 232 X package Sportabout
John
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 17:43:10 -0600
From: Teamamc <Teamamc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] my sons first burnout. 1980 AMX
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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