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Today's Topics:
1. in a clutch (aspirin)
2. Re: in a clutch (Sandwich Maker)
3. Electronic Ignition conversion (Thomas, Jeff)
4. Paintless dent removal (Keleigh Hardie)
5. Posting to AMX files (Gary Stutz)
6. 290-4v/4spd question (russ hathaway)
7. Re: 290-4v/4spd question (Sandwich Maker)
8. Re: 290-4v/4spd question (Savage, Pete)
9. Re: 290-4v/4spd question (Wayne E LaMothe)
10. water temp unit (russ hathaway)
11. Re: Electronic Ignition Changeover (Tom Jennings)
12. Re: what I learned about A/C (Tom Jennings)
13. Re: 290-4v/4spd question/ damper and flywheel (John Elle)
14. Ram Air (Armand Eshleman)
15. Water temp unit (Jay)
16. Re: Water temp unit (Tom Jennings)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:05:26 -0600
From: aspirin <aspirin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] in a clutch
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I have an 82 Spirit 4.2 litre (258), with a 5 speed manual trans. It
is in need of a clutch, but the parts stores around here are saying the
dont have a listing for a 5 speed, just a 4 speed. Does anyone know if
they use the same, disk, pressure plate and release bearing? Thanks
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:22:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] in a clutch
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606061222.k56CM5q28484@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: aspirin <aspirin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" I have an 82 Spirit 4.2 litre (258), with a 5 speed manual trans. It
" is in need of a clutch, but the parts stores around here are saying the
" dont have a listing for a 5 speed, just a 4 speed. Does anyone know if
" they use the same, disk, pressure plate and release bearing? Thanks
that year they are; in fact the 5sp is based on the 4sp.
________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:44:15 -0400
From: "Thomas, Jeff" <jeff.thomas@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Electronic Ignition conversion
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Many thanks to Frank, Aaron, Mark I and Mark II for the responses on my
stock distributor question. I now have a lot more options. If this is
how the message board always works then I'd say it's pretty mind
blowing.
M@rk [markmel77@xxxxxxxxx] please have your buddy with the 73 Javelin
AMX PC interior get in touch with me if he hasn't gotten his car in the
71-74 Javelin AMX Registry. I'm still looking for new owners to add to
the registry. Let's get em all signed up soon.
If anyone has a 71 Javelin AMX that is undergoing a restoration please
feel free to contact me. I am almost done getting the mechanical issues
put to bed on a car that's been garaged since 1986. I brought this car
home Memorial Day weekend in 2004. Two years later I finally got the
engine running. With 3 kids I'm slow and very broke.
Electric Blue 360 4bbl 4-speed with a/c, PS, PB, 3:54 gears, heated rear
glass, Edelbrock R4B and finned valve covers, Edelbrock 650 carb and
Machine wheels. We broke in the engine last night and hope to have the
brakes functional by the weekend. We'll see how long the Eastwood paint
holds up on the factory exhaust manifold. I completely removed the
harness and cleaned every wire/connector, added new brake booster and
MC, new brake lines, new clutch, new pistons, re-built HB, re-built
early 71 cylinder heads (3196291) had all reciprocating parts
re-balanced, had a machine shop bore/hone block .30 over, re-work crank,
new bearings and seals, new camshaft, new oil pan, NOS belts and hoses,
NOS Carter fuel pump, send the receiver dryer out for re-build, re-cored
the radiator, tested the condenser and a/c compressor for leaks, gas
tank boiled out and the list goes on and on.
J T
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:44:06 -0700
From: Keleigh Hardie <ramblinguy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Paintless dent removal
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Not an urban legend, I talked to the Dent Mechanic who does this at my
dealer about my Eagle, and he said because of the age of the paint that
there was a good chance of cracking...
Keleigh
amc-list-request@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:13:25 -0400
> From: Ken Siroonian <KSiroonian@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Painless Dent Removal
> To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID:
> <ADVANCES62pQq5pneeF00000185@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> many new car dealers use them for both new and used vehciels. In the
> east the comapony is Dent WizRd but there are others. I want to take
> out a dent in teh hood of my 74 javelin for the same readon, to not
> break the oringianl paint. the one thing I did hear, not sure if its
> correct of an urban ledgend is that the older enalme paints are much
> harder, less flexible than the new paints, and trying to take out a
> dent in an older origianl pant job could cause it to crack. And I
> suppose by the fact that our cars are 30+ years old the paint would be
> harder and more brittle anyway. Let us know how you make out. regards.
> ken
>
>
> n June 4, 2006 Mr. AMC wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks to all who replied. I have heard good things about the
>>
> painless
>
>> dent removal but have never seen it done or the end result. The
>>
> reason I
>
>> want to see about it is to not have to repaint the hatch on my
>>
> Hornet
>
>> where the dent is.The original paint is real nice.
>> "Doc"
>>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:30:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gary Stutz <garystutz@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Posting to AMX files
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
I would like to post a request on the list. How do I
do that?
garystutz@xxxxxxxxx
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:05:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 290-4v/4spd question
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I came across the above combo this week-end for $375,
seems complete. It is a 68 combo, out of a Jav. I also
have a 68 343-4v sitting around doing nothing. Is this
a direct bolt on swap?. Is the same tranny and clutch
used with both engines?.....Russ
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:12:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 290-4v/4spd question
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200606061812.k56IC4A00452@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" I came across the above combo this week-end for $375,
" seems complete. It is a 68 combo, out of a Jav. I also
" have a 68 343-4v sitting around doing nothing. Is this
" a direct bolt on swap?. Is the same tranny and clutch
" used with both engines?.....Russ
afaik yes.
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internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:26:50 -0400
From: "Savage, Pete" <PSavage@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 290-4v/4spd question
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Russ,
Different flywheels for different reciprocating mass weights, 290 vs 343...
Aren't all AMC V8s externally balanced on the flywheels?
Peter
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Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 2:06 PM
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Subject: [AMC-List] 290-4v/4spd question
I came across the above combo this week-end for $375,
seems complete. It is a 68 combo, out of a Jav. I also
have a 68 343-4v sitting around doing nothing. Is this
a direct bolt on swap?. Is the same tranny and clutch
used with both engines?.....Russ
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:37:04 -0400
From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 290-4v/4spd question
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Yes, the flexplates too. The 290 will swap out with the 343 so long as
you keep the 290 balancer and flywheel. The 290 4V was rated at 225hp
and the 343 4V was rated at 285hp so they may have used a different
version of the T10. IIRC the 343 4V got the M12 auto as did the 390 and
the 343 2V got the M11 auto as did the 290, so it would make sense that
they used a heavier duty version of the T10 with the 343 4V. Speculation
on my part. Compare part numbers on the tranny's. There was also a
close ration T10 and a wide ratio so there are many variables, including
what was available on the shelf when the car went together.
Wayne
Wayne & Lisa (Skeezix), Bolton Landing, NY,
http://www.superglider.thinkhost.com/
AMO#8454, 83 Eagle Limited Wagon, 82 SX/4, 258 auto
69 Ambo coupe, 401, M12, 66 Ambo 990 Wagon, 327,PW,PB,PS,posi,AM/FM,AC
88 Jeep J10 360, auto- a Real truck
2001 Cherokee, 2000 Chrysler Cirrus (both hers)
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:26:50 -0400 "Savage, Pete" <PSavage@xxxxxxxxxxx>
writes:
> Russ,
>
> Different flywheels for different reciprocating mass weights, 290 vs
> 343...
> Aren't all AMC V8s externally balanced on the flywheels?
>
> Peter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of russ hathaway
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 2:06 PM
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [AMC-List] 290-4v/4spd question
>
> I came across the above combo this week-end for $375,
> seems complete. It is a 68 combo, out of a Jav. I also
> have a 68 343-4v sitting around doing nothing. Is this
> a direct bolt on swap?. Is the same tranny and clutch
> used with both engines?.....Russ
>
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:49:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] water temp unit
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thanks Frank, and every one else who answered.......Russ
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:52:23 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Electronic Ignition Changeover
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1149623543.6121.18.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, 2006-06-05 at 13:44 -0400, Thomas, Jeff wrote:
> Thanks for the information guys. I would still like to hear from someone
> who has experience with this changeover on a late model AMC and possibly
> a "step by step" guide. If the switch over from the Eaton PS pump to the
> Saginaw is a standard Javelin upgrade then I would think there is a
> "standard" out there on this topic too.
http://wps.com/AMC/distributor/index.html
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:56:05 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] what I learned about A/C
To: amc-list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1149623765.6121.22.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
Mark Fox pointed out that I wrote:
> You stated:
> All new systems use O-ring fittings, which don't seal even
> when assembled by monkeys. All new A/C components will come
> with O-ring fittings.
I wrote the EXACT OPPOSITE! of what I meant to write -- Flare fittings
require care to seal right, but even a monkey could assemble an O-ring
part...
Thanks Mark!
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:57:16 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 290-4v/4spd question/ damper and flywheel
To: AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000001c689b4$2db36d10$18dd0d82@john1>
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SNIP
The 290 will swap out with the 343 so long as you keep the 290 balancer
and flywheel.
SNIP
?
AMC V8 engines are externally balanced using the harmonic balancer
(damper) and the Flywheel.
The 290 harmonic balancer will stay with the 290 engine
The 290 Flywheel will stay with the 290 engine.
The 343 will have it's own harmonic balancer.
The 343 will have it's own fly wheel.
Clutch parts are probably identical as they have no bearing on the
balance of the engine.
As long as you keep the right parts on the right engines you can switch
them around all you want with no problems.
John.
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:09:18 -0500
From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Ram Air
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <005c01c689c6$9f841040$6601a8c0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hello everyone,
I'm looking for the air cleaner body, the Y duct, rear duct assembly, left
and right scoops and trim pieces for the 1970 Javelin and AMX ram air intake
system. If anyone has some or all of these pieces or knows some one who has
them and would like to sell one piece or all the pieces please contact me.
Thanks,
Armand Eshleman
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:39:13 -0400
From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Water temp unit
To: "AMC LIST" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Now I know why AMC moved the temp sending unit from thr front of the head
back to the rear of the head. The darn fan cools the unit off so much up
front, you never get an accurate reading. This is on the 232 /258 engines
Jay in FL.
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:09:03 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Water temp unit
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1149642543.6026.13.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 20:39 -0400, Jay wrote:
> Now I know why AMC moved the temp sending unit from thr front of the head
> back to the rear of the head. The darn fan cools the unit off so much up
> front, you never get an accurate reading. This is on the 232 /258 engines
I assume the same reason also! It's a more pessimum place to measure
temp.
Does anyone know if there are different value senders? My dash temp
gauge doesn't match the TSH at all plus it's just crazy. The dot is 140F
(OK...) but the beginning of the "normal" range is 200F; about 20% up is
over 210F, and I have no idea what the far end would be and I ain't
measuring it!
(I was measuring with a good K-type thermocouple in the radiator top
hose, eg. water outlet temp into radiator. I figured it's got to be
hotter there since on exit it picks up all that heat. I turn the
electric fan off as needed to let temp. rise controllably at idle.)
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