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Today's Topics:

   1. rear spring isolator rubbers (hal.lynch@xxxxxxx)
   2. Re: Paint Job or Snow Job? (ROSS BLAIR)
   3. Re: 64 Rambler Classic Progress Report (cont'd). (Matt Haas)
   4. pacer upholstery & speaker cover wanted (Eddie Stakes)
   5. amx power steering setup, edelbrock r4b for sale (Eddie Stakes)
   6. Rambler sway bar & related parts wanted (Eddie Stakes)
   7. 70 390V8 & T10 4speed, Hurst shifter, flywheel for sale
      (Eddie Stakes)
   8. 72 AMX $3K; 74 Gremlin $2K; Machine rims $1K or sale
      (Eddie Stakes)
   9. 70 AMX 390 4spd, 44K for sale (Eddie Stakes)
  10. Re: 64 Rambler Classic Progress Report (Jim Blair)
  11. Re: 64 Rambler Classic Progress Report (Jim Blair)
  12. 65 American 440 HT inspected.  Mysteries! (Mike Kindle)
  13. Re: Paint Job Or Snow Job (Mr. AMC)
  14. There Are Still Nice People Around (Mr. AMC)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 22:12:01 +0000
From: hal.lynch@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] rear spring isolator rubbers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hi guys,

I have at least eight brand new spring isolator rubbers that I think I had gotten for either my 70 AMX or some of my previously owned eagles.  I am willing to sell them if I can isolate which car they are for so I don't misrepresent them.  Is $20 per pair fair?  Let me know how I can identify them and if anyone needs them, I won't.

Hal

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 04:09:08 +0500
From: "ROSS BLAIR" <bigbad69@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Paint Job or Snow Job?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060505230908.C891C101DA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Kim,

Yeah, show paint ain't cheap. From the sound of it, they don't 
really want your job, but if you're willing to pay their price 
they'll do it. Restoration shops do worry about their reputation. 
If they do "cheap" jobs, word gets around that their work is crap. 
I had my Javelin done at a shop run by a friend. Before that, one 
of his first jobs after he opened the shop was my daily beater 
Chevy pickup. He did a good job, but he didn't want me to tell 
people who did the work because it involved a lot of bondo.

As for your Gremlin, I love 30 year old cars with original paint. 
You say ther's no rust, just a few dings. If they're not that big, 
I would be inclined to detail the existing paint and ignore the 
dings. There are shops in this end of the province that advertise 
paintless dent repair. There must be some in the GTO. A cheap 
respray wouldn't hold up over time like the original paint, so you 
would end up having to strip the car and paying big bucks anyway. 

Just my .02 worth.


Ross Blair
69 BBO Javelin 390
Ottawa, Ont.


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 20:33:35 -0400
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 64 Rambler Classic Progress Report (cont'd).
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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Couple of things on this. First, the head bolts are not common hardware 
store fare. The 199 and 232 sixes (at least the first style with shaft 
rockers) do not have dowels to locate the heads so the bolts have machined 
shoulders to locate the head properly. Also, these are not grade 8 bolts, 
they are grade 5. Second, this fix may not do a thing, particularly for a 
40 plus year old motor. How's the oil pressure when hot (if you can drive 
it, it's best to drive it for 10 to 15 minutes to get it good and hot)? If 
the light flickers at all at idle, at least the cam bearings are shot and 
the mains may be as well (on the 232 in my 68 American, this was caused by 
broken up valve stem seals plugging up the oil pickup tube, I put a new 
pump and tube in it, had the crank machined and once it was running, it 
flushed more seal material out and did the same damage all over again). If 
it doesn't flicker and cleaning the oil passage didn't help, you probably 
have a spun cam bearing. Third, you need a new or rebuilt rocker shaft 
assembly (Kanter has good prices on rebuilt shaft assemblies). The really 
don't last long with no oil. You should also check the valves for excessive 
play in the guides (I could easily see them move in my engine). If it turns 
out that you have engine damage, it seems like it usually runs between 
$1500 and $2000 to rebuild them depending upon what's wrong and if you do 
any assembly yourself. Also, pistons and water pumps are different for 
64-67 engines (pistons are about twice as much for those three years). I 
sourced both of those items from Kanter.

As far as machining the head bolt goes, I wouldn't do it by hand. The 
machined area needs to be concentric (btw, if you do this yourself, you 
want to clamp on the neck and not the head, they head may not be concentric 
and cause a wobble) and if you go deeper than the root diameter of the 
threads, you'll weaken the bolt. Also, you need to radius the step you just 
made in the bolt so it doesn't get a stress fracture and snap. This is a no 
big deal machining operation on a lathe. It took all of about 10 minutes to 
do. You may have to pay a machine shop an hour labor to do it but it's a 
lot better to pay them than having to remove the head to fish out a broken 
bolt.

Matt

At 11:58 AM 5/5/2006 +0000, you wrote:
>That's a common problem Joe! Go to 
>http://www.mattsoldcars.com/techinfo/boltmod.shtml to find the best fix. A 
>lathe is best, but you can carefully grind and/or file the bolt down. If 
>using a grinder get a cup of water and keep it close by, dipping the bolt 
>in the water after a few seconds of grinding. It will "hiss" for a second 
>when you dip it, but shouldn't "hiss" for more than that. The bolt SHOULD 
>NOT change color at any time! If it does you got it to hot and need to get 
>another. A grade 8 bolt is all it is, so you can get a hardware store 
>replacement. You'll need a 1/2" wide file or grinder though.
>
>If the engine was recently rebuilt it's poosible that the cam bearing oil 
>hole wasn't properly aligned. Hope that's not the problem!
>
>--
>Frank Swygert
>Publisher, "American Independent
>Magazine" (AIM)
>For all AMC enthusiasts
>http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
>(free download available!)
>
>--- original message--------------------------------
>There appears to be no oil getting to the valve train
>and of course the valve clattering did not subside.
>The oil pressure idiot light did go out when the
>engine started.  I then drained the oil and plan to
>pull the oil pan next to inspect the oil pickup and
>oil pump.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 20:26:20 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] pacer upholstery & speaker cover wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Jeni Panhorst" <me@xxxxxxxx>
Cc: marilynjstory@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <021e01c670b0$e3d80d20$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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Upholstery for 1977 Pacer Wagon. Whiteor cream color background with a wide 
center panel of blue with a zig zag design in yellow. Marilyn J. Story 
marilynjstory@xxxxxxx 619-222-8868 619-222-8657

WANTED Cover for speaker in rear of 1977 Pacer Wagon. Cover measures 7inches 
by 6 inches. Only need one cover. Marilyn J. Story
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Anyone with upholstery or speaker cover that can help out please feel free 
to give them a shout above, thanks.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 20:28:51 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] amx power steering setup, edelbrock r4b for sale
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Davis Martin <martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <021f01c670b0$e42b8450$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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1969 AMX power steering setup##### Complete like brand new. SOld all my 
amx's so it's gotta go. Even includes the belt! What would it cost to 
restore yours? Swap out that manuel setup for power! 250.00 Plus shipping 
Davis Martin  martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 860-997-2732

R4B intake for sale 325.00 including shipping in the Con. US Nice shape 
looks like new. Davis Martin  martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 860-997-2732
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anyone interested in the above please feel free to give him a shout above 
thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 20:45:30 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Rambler sway bar & related parts wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Jimjam186@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <022501c670b0$e5662730$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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	reply-type=original

Wanted, Swaybar for 67 -69 American or any related parts, mainly brackets. 
thanks. Jim Gurall jimjam186@xxxxxxx
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Anyone that can help give them a shuot above thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 20:30:05 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 70 390V8 & T10 4speed, Hurst shifter, flywheel for
	sale
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Davis Martin <martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <022001c670b0$e4755e90$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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T-10 4SPD with bellhousing, Hurst shifter and 1970 amx 390 flywheel. 800.00 
Plus S/H Looks in good condition. Davis  martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
860-997-2732 Sunday, April 30, 2006 11:47:51 PM

##### 1970 390 rebuilt##### Limited time offer!!!Rebuilt back to std size. 
Like getting a new amc crate motor. COmplete from intake to oil pan. Was 
asking 5500 but need cash so first 3800 gets it. Shipping not included. This 
is one sweet motor for that 70 restoration. Located in central CT. Davis 
860-997-2732 cell 9-9 EST  Davis  martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 860-997-2732

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Anyone interested in above give them a shout, thanks,

Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 20:44:08 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 72 AMX $3K; 74 Gremlin $2K; Machine rims $1K or
	sale
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Az_UncleDonny@xxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <022401c670b0$e51c4cf0$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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	reply-type=original

 72 AMX, 360, AT, Rust free AZ car, runs good but needs paint and interior, 
$3K. 74 Gremlin X, 304, AT, factory AC, rust free California car, runs and 
drives but needs resto, $2K. Set of four 15"" Machine wheels, w/beauty rings 
and one center cap $1000. Orange space saver spare, never used $100. (480) 
330-1495 Don Henriques  Az_UncleDonny@xxxxxxxxx (480) 330-1495
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Anyone interested in any of the above give them a shout, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 20:31:12 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 70 AMX 390 4spd, 44K for sale
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: mikedscrapper@xxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <022101c670b0$e4c8d5c0$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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	reply-type=original

1970 AMX 390 4 speed a/c no power steering engine block no good have all 
parts. also grill is broken car has been apart for years but i have it 
all.44k needs to be restorded owed for 26 years.minor rust great car to 
invest in.will be posting on ebay next week.have any quistions e mail me. 
note; also have rear window loover for it. mike dion mikedscrapper@xxxxxxxxx 
(716)444-0539
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anyone interested in the above give them a shout, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com



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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 22:47:01 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 64 Rambler Classic Progress Report
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F312BB0B138EBE7D3015D69ACAA0@xxxxxxx>
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It sounds to me like the oil filter collapsed or the head bolt the oil 
passes through (on tube style) is clogged up.


---- JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>When we last left poor Joe and his 64 Classic with the
>noisy engine, several listers had given him good
>suggestions of what to do next.
>
>Tonight I had time to pull the valve cover and observe
>that all of the push rods were in place and the valve
>train looked normal.  I turned the engine over with my
>remote starter switch first and did not hear the noise
>in the bottom of the engine, so I turned on the
>ignition and started it.
>
>There appears to be no oil getting to the valve train
>and of course the valve clattering did not subside.
>The oil pressure idiot light did go out when the
>engine started.  I then drained the oil and plan to
>pull the oil pan next to inspect the oil pickup and
>oil pump.
>
>I hope to get a resolution on this problem on
>Saturday.
>
>Regards,
>Joe Fulton
>

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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 23:16:35 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 64 Rambler Classic Progress Report
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F39FF5759535647939DB17EACAA0@xxxxxxx>
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It sounds to me like the oil filter collapsed or the head bolt the oil 
passes through (on tube style) is clogged up.


---- JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>When we last left poor Joe and his 64 Classic with the
>noisy engine, several listers had given him good
>suggestions of what to do next.
>
>Tonight I had time to pull the valve cover and observe
>that all of the push rods were in place and the valve
>train looked normal.  I turned the engine over with my
>remote starter switch first and did not hear the noise
>in the bottom of the engine, so I turned on the
>ignition and started it.
>
>There appears to be no oil getting to the valve train
>and of course the valve clattering did not subside.
>The oil pressure idiot light did go out when the
>engine started.  I then drained the oil and plan to
>pull the oil pan next to inspect the oil pickup and
>oil pump.
>
>I hope to get a resolution on this problem on
>Saturday.
>
>Regards,
>Joe Fulton
>

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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 00:23:17 -0700
From: "Mike Kindle" <mike90066@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 65 American 440 HT inspected.  Mysteries!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY113-F3A2977269CCB243D70AFCFCAA0@xxxxxxx>
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I got a chance to look at the 65 American hardtop.  I like the body style, 
and the floors looked solid from underneath.

But there is serious rust around the top of the rear window, from the inside 
it seems, as the rearmost roof support channel is rusted through , and light 
peaks in from above the window (no headliner), but the rest of the car looks 
good.  Plus there is thick cancer in small spots in the front roof corners 
too, about 3" in from the edges.  Also one cancer spot on the DS rear 
quarter before the wheel well, but the wheel lips and rear quarters look 
solid.  This has rust in strange places, and none in the usual places.

What causes the roof to rust like that?  Is is common?  Anybody got a roof 
for a 65 hardtop?  Or the top of the rear window?  I know they're all 
different.  I can weld.

Also: Rear air shocks and big shackles!  Forgot to check the mounting points 
but it felt very solid when I rocked it.

Window cranks suspect.
And the back seat is missing.  These are all the same, right?

Carb looks freshly rebuilt but flex plate went away which is how it ended up 
at the tow company.

Exhaust empties before the axle, intentionally, is that an air shock thing?
It seems like somebody built it up for abuse, and then abused it, and 
abandoned it.

They want 600 plus towing.  So, talk me into it or talk me out of it.

Thanks,
Mike Kindle




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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 06:18:27 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Paint Job Or Snow Job
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <28695-445C77F3-8011@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII

 It was perfectly clear from the start that he didn't want your paint
job. I would not have wasted my time after he started nit picking and
making false statements and especially after the insanely high price
quote. A quality paint job goes for around 5,000$ plus body work. I
agree with Ross about the quality of original paint. My orange Hornet
has original paint. It was never touched up and has a few small dings
and some damage to the drivers door. I had the car professionally
polished out. It took about 8 hours work over a 4 day period at my
friends shop and cost me 220$. I looks beautiful now. I used Sherman
Williams acrylic enamel to repaint the metal quarter window frames and
it matched almost perfect. I have an nice un-damaged orange door I will
have installed and polished out to replace the damaged one. Original AMC
paint was real good. You'd be amazed what a professional detailer can do
with good old paint. I need one of those painless dent removers to take
a small dent out of the hatch near the lock. 
"Doc"











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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 06:41:30 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] There Are Still Nice People Around
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx,
	AmericanMotorsModelbuilders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
	BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, MacsOrphanCarGroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <28695-445C7D5A-8029@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII

Last week I had the stainless trim I polished out that goes between the
tail lights installed along with 2 of my restored Hornet emblems and the
door popper I had installed in the hatch to save my fingers repaired.
This all took about an hour. Yesterday I took the car back to have the
other Hornet emblem and the Plastic stick on AMC emblem installed along
with my new hatch guide pin. That was another half hour. When I asked
what I owed I was told don't worry about it. Next week I will have my
grill ready to paint and he said I could paint it in the corner of his
shop. The car was there for 11 months last year while I did the interior
and he did some mechanical repairs. He only charged me for the repairs
he did. I gave him 100$ a month and called it storage while I did the
interior. He never asked for it but it was only fair.  Now that's a nice
guy.
"Doc"



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