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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Spelling (Mark Anthony Sproviero)
   2. Front coil springs - factory AMC book found.... (Jerry Casper)
   3. Navarro Indy turbo setup... in a Hornet (Tom Jennings)
   4. Re: Navarro Indy turbo setup... in a Hornet (Ray Mick)
   5. 258 Short dipstick and tube (Wayne E LaMothe)
   6. Re: 258 Short dipstick and tube (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
   7. Seat Covers 1970 buckets (John)
   8. Two Requests (JOE FULTON)
   9. Looking for Mike Hathaway (Armand Eshleman)
  10. Re: Navarro Indy turbo setup... in a Hornet (Tom Jennings)
  11. More valve cover woes (Tom Jennings)
  12. Re: More Valve Cover Woes (Mr. AMC)
  13. Restoring A Plastic Emblem With Modeling Skills (Mr. AMC)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:09:44 -0400
From: "Mark Anthony Sproviero" <msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Spelling
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <000301c66c57$59c70e90$c811a8c0@deathstar>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Wouldn't you grill *on* a grille?  Haha...


	Personally, I find bad spelling in posts irritating.  It tells me that the poster does not
pay much attention to detail and that attitude is surely a side-effect of my Military career.  I'm
not referring to the occasional tough word or tomato/tomatoe, grill/grille stuff - I mean the really
dumb sh!t.  I happen to have Outlook set to auto-check before sending because my personal preference
is to send out cleaned-up posts.  I even look up stuff quickly on Dictionary.com sometimes.

	However, I agree that they way people choose to spell in posts shouldn't necessarily be a
reflection of their intelligence.  I know plenty of people that appear to be in 2nd grade on the
internet and are perfectly "normal" in person.  Some type with a horrible oriental accent and some
even sound like Yoda.  Lol...

-Spro



-----Original Message-----
From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Jennings
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 9:37 PM
To: amc-list
Subject: [AMC-List] speling

Here's my 14.7 cents:

I am one of those people inflicted with seeing the almost unbelievable
number of misspellings and gross syntax errors in commercial text,
novels, signs, etc. It's useful when writing, but often distracting. I
didn't learn this in skool as a stoont, as I went to a series of crappy
public schools. No collidge deegree. 

My father, a very smart guy, autos, electronics, radar, hydraulics,
software, you name it, built his house from scratch, and can't spell for
crap. He went to better schools than me, and two years of college. He's
very very good at solving problems visually.

Spelling has nothing to do with brain power, paying attention, or
schooling. Stupid people can spell well, and smart ones badly.

Doc said that his spell checker said grill was correct -- and people
over-looked that he CARED ENOUGH TO USE A SPELL CHECKER for his AMC
posts! Sheesh!

I wonder if I was born Chinese, say, would I find errors in that
language; and maybe my father would have been a linguist.

You can grill a grille with propane, or briquettes, and it would still
taste bad. English is a stupid, barbarian (literally), arbitrary, hard
to manage language.

(ANy misspellings in this text are either intentional, malicious, or
just plain lazy.)

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:30:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerry Casper <gremlingts@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Front coil springs - factory AMC book found....
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060430153032.4827.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

 I went to the Spring Carlisle, PA auto flea last
weekend, and while a miserable day, I did find some
gems, including a '74 AMC Coil Spring replacement
guide. 
 Inside are glossy-surfaced pages for marking with a
grease pen, you select your  coil spring by using
rolling radius ( measured from center bearing to flat
ground, which takes into account the flattened tire
profile, so your air pressure must be set to factory
specs ) and options on the car. THere are 2 vertical
lines to either side with these specs, one with
rolling radius, the other with engine size and options
on car and right or left side coil. There are also 2
center lines, with handling package and standard
springs. YOu run a line between the rolling radius,
and your left and right side markings, and where the
lines cross the spring lines in the center, you chose
your particular spring part number that way. So tire
size and options affect the choices. 
 I didn't realize how many different spring rates were
available ( Ambassador 4-door sedan had 13 standard, 8
handling coil springs). The part numbers are listed on
the charts, so it's easy to pick out the one you need.
Pretty nice book. 
 There are also rear leaf charts, and police handling
package charts. Another interesting thing was that
although I have heard the Matador Coupe wasn't usually
given the 401 option, and only a few ( four? ) ever
shipped with one, there are two Matador coupe spring
charts, and they list the 401 as an option on the
chart(s). Interesting. 
 Pretty nice book to have for reference. Another thing
mentioned in figuring out the coil springs is the
front bumper height, as you had to make sure that it
was level from side to side to within a half inch, or
you'd need a stiffer spring on that side one rate
higher. The procedure was interesting, bounce the car
4-5 inches 5 times, then 2 inches 5 times, on a flat
surface, then measure each side underneath to the
5-mph bumper shock absorber. there was a bumper
adjustment procedure, too, to make sure it wasn't an
out-of-level bumper. 
 Anyhow, considering how many of my AMCs ride low in
back, I don't think I'd go with stock, I'd go with
stiffer springs, at least leafs. Eventually they'll
settle down more, and I tend to carry more stuff
around, too. :) If anyone wants part numbers, I can
sent a list sometime ( my PC is dead, using my wife's
for now, intermittently ). Just getting online to
check mail. :) That's all I have on this subject,
can't wait for my new Dell next week. Bye-bye,
Emachines!  

Jerry Casper
Virginia

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:04:07 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Navarro Indy turbo setup... in a Hornet
To: amc-list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1146416647.5517.32.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

I'm nearly done with the rebuild of Josh's '72 Hornet. Got the 904 in
yesterday. I hate doing transmission installs the most, all I've got is
a somewhat rough concrete driveway (beats dirt though). My homemade
transmission jack worked just fine though.

Since the engine (1973 258 six) and trans are in but not assembled, I
thought it would be interesting to prop the Navarro Indy motor turbo
guts onto it to see how badly it fit. 

http://wps.com/AMC/Navarro-turbo-Hornet/index.html

Imagine my surprise when the big T04 turbo cleared the spring tower by
4" inches, and the brake master cylinder by the same. Wouldn't work with
power brakes, eh.

Slight bump needed for hood clearance, but nothing stupid.

Plumbing is always tough, it appears from photos of other people's
projects (never did a turbo, yet) but it sure looks like there's room
for everything needed.

The output volute rotates, so there's room there. FI is built into the
manifold (below each port, not visible) but a carb would be nifty
(except for all those manifold explosions).

Anyways no plans for this sort of thing, just a mockup since I had the
opportunity. A cast iron manifold and Carter YF are actually going on
this motor, a far cry from  30 lbs boost sucked out of a huge Dellorto
carbumureettor.



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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:13:17 -0500
From: Ray Mick <rmick@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Navarro Indy turbo setup... in a Hornet
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <E4A78017-7A74-45B7-9EA9-362FA427CBEB@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Been there done this. http://members.cox.net/bledwards1/turbo/ Put it  
on a buddies Gremlin.
On Apr 30, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Tom Jennings wrote:

> I'm nearly done with the rebuild of Josh's '72 Hornet. Got the 904 in
> yesterday. I hate doing transmission installs the most, all I've  
> got is
> a somewhat rough concrete driveway (beats dirt though). My homemade
> transmission jack worked just fine though.
>
> Since the engine (1973 258 six) and trans are in but not assembled, I
> thought it would be interesting to prop the Navarro Indy motor turbo
> guts onto it to see how badly it fit.
>
> http://wps.com/AMC/Navarro-turbo-Hornet/index.html
>
> Imagine my surprise when the big T04 turbo cleared the spring tower by
> 4" inches, and the brake master cylinder by the same. Wouldn't work  
> with
> power brakes, eh.
>
> Slight bump needed for hood clearance, but nothing stupid.
>
> Plumbing is always tough, it appears from photos of other people's
> projects (never did a turbo, yet) but it sure looks like there's room
> for everything needed.
>
> The output volute rotates, so there's room there. FI is built into the
> manifold (below each port, not visible) but a carb would be nifty
> (except for all those manifold explosions).
>
> Anyways no plans for this sort of thing, just a mockup since I had the
> opportunity. A cast iron manifold and Carter YF are actually going on
> this motor, a far cry from  30 lbs boost sucked out of a huge Dellorto
> carbumureettor.
>
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Ray Mick
Somewhere in Kansas
"The older I get the faster I was"
72 Javelin/AMX
72 Javelin R/W/B SST
71 Javelin
See my Javelin @
http://community.webshots.com/album/54361408pRyvWE

My RWB Javelin@ http://members.cox.net/jvlnnut/Library.shtml

Mid America AMC
www.midamericaamc.com




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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:53:46 -0400
From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 258 Short dipstick and tube
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060430.175346.1272.0.superglider@xxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


I need a short dipstick and tube for an Eagle.  The long one on my engine
inteferes with the HEI cap.  Any one have a source?  The Eagle has a
different oil pan than other sixes so it must be an Eagle part.

Thanks

Wayne


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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:22:12 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 258 Short dipstick and tube
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1779823.1146435732548.JavaMail.root@web19>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I'd get a short tube a stick from an AMC car, mid seventies or so and mark it if it did not  read correctly. You could also try to take it out and rework the long one with a tube bender to clear the HEI. If you keep the bends gentle you should be able to pull it off.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV


---- Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> 
> I need a short dipstick and tube for an Eagle.  The long one on my engine
> inteferes with the HEI cap.  Any one have a source?  The Eagle has a
> different oil pan than other sixes so it must be an Eagle part.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Wayne
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:15:16 -0400
From: "John" <marq@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Seat Covers 1970 buckets
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <001901c66cab$f2da7b90$dbd01840@your27e1513d96>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

I don't have the plastic shells for the buckets on my 70 Ambo, they were long gone before I bought the car.  I am looking for a low cost recover on the seats and will be removing the cheesy carpet that was glued onto the back of the bucket seats by the previous owner.  Has anyone successfully upholstered over the back (where the shell was)?  Has anyone used Autocraft seatcovers on 1970 buckets? 

John
70 Ambo SST

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:28:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Two Requests
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060501002819.13599.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

First I have a friend with a 63 American convertible
(pink by the way) who wants to install power steering.
 He has the OHV 196 engine but he would like to
install conventional power steering with a Saginaw
box, not the "ram type" power steering which I think
came on these cars.  Does anyone know how to do this? 
What parts to look for?  He does not do his own work,
so he will be dropping a pile of parts in the lap of a
local mechanic to make the switch.

Second, I am trying to put a 64 classic 660 back on
the road.  It has manual transmission with overdrive
and column shifter.  I replaced the steering column
and shifter today, because the old one had been
vandalized and was not connected to the shift levers. 
Does anyone have the clips that fasten the shift rods
into the column grommets?  Do you know what these are
supposed to look like?  I can check local hardware
sources for something that will work, but I would like
the factory correct parts.

Thanks, 
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:46:41 -0500
From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Looking for Mike Hathaway
To: "AMC/Rambler List" <amc-list@xxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <006201c66cd1$dbc62b40$6601a8c0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Mike in Anderson Island Washington, just outside of Tacoma, please contact
me.
I sent an email to your email address, the one we were communicating with
when I
bought the V-8 crossmember from you. Did you get the check??
Have you sent the crossmember??
Please send me an email, the msn (mhathdway@xxxxxxx ) address bounced back.
Thanks,

Armand Eshleman
aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:26:47 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Navarro Indy turbo setup... in a Hornet
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1146457605.5517.41.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 13:13, Ray Mick wrote:
> Been there done this. http://members.cox.net/bledwards1/turbo/ Put it  
> on a buddies Gremlin.

Thanks! Yup, I crawled all over your page some months back.  My photos
are of the weird, one-off Navarro manifold, made for the 181 ci Rambler
Six he ran at Indy in 1967/68.

It's really nice and short; though this one is cast from stainless, it
could be fabricated from steel.  The carb setup sticks way off the
block.


> On Apr 30, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Tom Jennings wrote:
> 
> > I'm nearly done with the rebuild of Josh's '72 Hornet. Got the 904 in
> > yesterday. I hate doing transmission installs the most, all I've  
> > got is
> > a somewhat rough concrete driveway (beats dirt though). My homemade
> > transmission jack worked just fine though.
> >
> > Since the engine (1973 258 six) and trans are in but not assembled, I
> > thought it would be interesting to prop the Navarro Indy motor turbo
> > guts onto it to see how badly it fit.
> >
> > http://wps.com/AMC/Navarro-turbo-Hornet/index.html
> >
> > Imagine my surprise when the big T04 turbo cleared the spring tower by
> > 4" inches, and the brake master cylinder by the same. Wouldn't work  
> > with
> > power brakes, eh.
> >
> > Slight bump needed for hood clearance, but nothing stupid.
> >
> > Plumbing is always tough, it appears from photos of other people's
> > projects (never did a turbo, yet) but it sure looks like there's room
> > for everything needed.
> >
> > The output volute rotates, so there's room there. FI is built into the
> > manifold (below each port, not visible) but a carb would be nifty
> > (except for all those manifold explosions).
> >
> > Anyways no plans for this sort of thing, just a mockup since I had the
> > opportunity. A cast iron manifold and Carter YF are actually going on
> > this motor, a far cry from  30 lbs boost sucked out of a huge Dellorto
> > carbumureettor.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AMC-List mailing list
> > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list
> >
> > or go to http://www.amc-list.com
> 
> Ray Mick
> Somewhere in Kansas
> "The older I get the faster I was"
> 72 Javelin/AMX
> 72 Javelin R/W/B SST
> 71 Javelin
> See my Javelin @
> http://community.webshots.com/album/54361408pRyvWE
> 
> My RWB Javelin@ http://members.cox.net/jvlnnut/Library.shtml
> 
> Mid America AMC
> www.midamericaamc.com
> 
> 
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:31:55 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] More valve cover woes
To: amc-list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1146457912.5517.47.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

Sheesh, even the simplest tasks....

So I got the valve cover off ('83 six, a 'plastic cover' head, with a
cast aluminum cover I got from AJ), the silicone I used leaked. I got it
spotless, used Permatex High Tack (non-hardening) liberally, it looks
like it will seal just fine.

Drove to the cafe, parked... heard a "lifter tick" noise -- rockers are
just tapping/scraping the valve cover! Got it home, loosened the valve
cover, it quieted... I shoved it side to side (there's atiny bit of play
in the bolt holes), slight change in sound, but upon tightening the
bolts it ticks again. It's very, very slight, so I'm just gonna drive it
and let it "wear in". What a pain in the butt!

This was a new Felpro gasket; the old one was a Felpro too.



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 05:33:44 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] More Valve Cover Woes
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <14895-4455D5F8-2298@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII

Tom aren't you afraid of when the what ever is rubbing against the
inside of the valve cover is going to put metal particles in the oil? If
you take the valve cover off you should see where the rub is. If it was
me I would use my Dremil and grind a bit of a relief in each spot. How
did the valve cover fit against the firewall by the wiper motor? My
friend had a 78 Concord AMX with a 258 4 speed and when he had the
engine rebuilt the shop doing the work  installed an aluminum valve
cover and it looked like they got out the BMF mechanic's hammer and beat
the firewall to death at the body seam under the wiper motor. It looked
like a real hack job.
"Doc"



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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 06:20:48 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Restoring A Plastic Emblem With Modeling Skills
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx,
	AmericanMotorsModelbuilders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
	BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, MacsOrphanCarGroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <14895-4455E100-2320@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII

Well I am down to the last body emblem. All the rest of them were metal
but this one is plastic. The Castrol Super Clean stripped off all the
old paint and chrome.
I used moder's Bare Metal foil for the chrome on the AMC letters and the
edging of the R/W/B AMC emblem. I got out the can of the orange paint
that matched the car and hand painted the edges and between the letters
and emblem orange like I did on the 3 metal Hornet emblems. When it
tacked up I sprayed 2 coats of Plasti-kote clear engine enamel on it to
seal the foil and orange paint into each other and popped it into my
dehydrator to bake. I also used model sheet plastic to make the new
R/W/B insert and painted it Plasti-kote white primer and then with
Plasti-kote gloss white Super Enamel. That too is now baking. This
afternoon I will paint the blue on the emblem and the red tomorrow and
then the clear the following day. Then glue it into the base with 2 step
epoxy and I am done. About 5-6 hours work total and nothing for
materials as I already had everything including the double stick tape to
mount the emblem on the car. As usual my modeling skills came in real
handy and the end result will be an emblem that you will have to get up
really close to see it is not original. :-)~  
"Doc"



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