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mail Digest for 1 Mar 2006 in hour 17:00
- From: "mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <List@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:54:23 -0800
Topics covered in this issue include:
1: Re: torque specs for wheels
by "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
2: Re: Jay's Wagner brakes
by "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
3: bidding war continued
by "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4: Re: Fw: 82 concord V8 crossmember question
by moparedwalker@xxxxxxxxx
5: Re: torque specs for wheels
by Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
6: Toy Auction(s) II
by "Richard Estermyer" <javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx>
7: Re: The Jig Is Up
by Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
8: Re: torque specs for wheels
by Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
9: Re: 38 cars!
by Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
10: Re: torque specs for wheels
by "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
11: re: Ghost whispers
by farna@xxxxxxx
12: Re: mail Digest for 1 Mar 2006 entry
by C D Patterson <cdp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
13: scammer on a string
by "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: torque specs for wheels
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:03:54 -0500
I had heard 90 lbs too, but I'm not sure i could break it loose with a 4-way
wrench on the side of the road at 90 lbs.. 70lbs seems more reasonable.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne E LaMothe" <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: torque specs for wheels
>I had always heard 90ft/lbs. I try to make sure they are only as tight
> as what the smallest driver in the family can get off.
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> On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:49:12 -0500 "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx> writes:
>> I looked for torque specs for tightening the wheel lugs but couldn't
>> find
>> the info in the shop manual or my service specs booklet. What is the
>> correct
>> torque? I tightened the wheel nuts with a 4-way wrench to what I
>> thought
>> was tight and then checked them with a to torque wrench and I had
>> tightened
>> with less than 70 ft/lbs.
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>> Jay
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From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Jay's Wagner brakes
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:06:02 -0500
NAPA also had the Classic listed with both type brakes, but the American
with only the Bendix. I ordered from the Classic listing to get my shoes.
they had the same specs.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: Jay's Wagner brakes
> Well Matt, I have decided to stay with the Wagners as I said earlier.
> Thanks for the parts sources. I may have to use them.
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> Jay
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Haas" <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:54 PM
> Subject: Jay's Wagner brakes
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>> It seems like messages about Jay's brakes were flying fast today so
>> instead of replying to 50,000,000,000 emails, here's my two cents on the
>> subject:
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>> First, as far as usage goes, they were used on Americans in 1967 as well.
>> Both the parts book and service manual say they should be Bendix (no
>> parts catalog lists them for 67 either) but I have them for sure on my 67
>> American and have no reason to suspect they were swapped out. Second,
>> Wagner and Bendix parts don't even come close to interchanging. The
>> backing plate is different as are the wheel cylinders. I know this first
>> hand because I purchased Bendix parts for my 67 American so I had them on
>> hand to see that they were wrong. Third, I happen to like the Wagner
>> setup better than the Bendix setup on my 68 American. I'm sure that some
>> of the difference is due to the large difference in mileage between the
>> two but the Wagner set up seems to be smoother.
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>> That aside, shoes and wheel cylinders are special order (they are for
>> Bendix as well) so those fall into the category of no big deal to get.
>> Drums are the same and also not hard to find. What you can't get from a
>> regular auto parts store is any of the hardware or self adjuster parts. I
>> needed new hold down hardware and return springs for my car and I was
>> able to get them from a Volvo parts dealer called Swedish Treasures
>> (http://www.swedishtreasures.com). The spring kit is part number 25290
>> (the spring that holds the shows together at the bottom is different than
>> the one in the kit but the return springs work) and the hold down kit is
>> 659663(64)-1. You'll need two of each. I'm told that you can still get
>> the hold down kit from Volvo but it's an "improved" design that really
>> isn't. Other hardware is out there (I found an International site that
>> had self adjuster kits for some of the wheels). Besides Volvo and
>> International, some Studebaker's used the same set up. It's simply a
>> matter of checking with vendors for those makes to find what you need.
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>> Also, you need to make sure that the resting block for the shoes moves
>> freely (CVI Automotive out of Sweden sells new ones and self adjuster
>> kits). Some of mine were really frozen and it took lots of effort to free
>> them up.
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>> Matt
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>> mhaas@xxxxxxx
>> Cincinnati, OH
>> http://www.mattsoldcars.com
>> 1967 Rambler American wagon
>> 1968 Rambler American sedan
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>> According to a February survey of Internet holdouts released by
>> UCLA's Center for Communication Policy, people cite
>> not having a computer as the No. 1 reason they won't go online.
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From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: bidding war continued
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:14:20 -0600
Since I whizzed away several hours yesterday toying with ebay's "live chat"
which is worthless, figured some of you might like to see how these scams
are popping up really quickly. I mentioned this earlier but it is worth
mentioning again. Someone has figured out how to write script into their
auctions. That is, you click on something you see you might be interested
in, then a real looking ebay screen pops up asking for your user ID and
password. you figure hey, I'm on ebay so put it in. Guess what? you just
gave away your information to scammers, who then quickly turn around and
start these auctions!
I have bid over $100 million in the last several days on some fine iron
including a Pierce Arrow, Javelin and well a BBG AMX today for $9 mil. But
it was the Mopar that intrigued me. So I used Paige's email account. you
will note that all these scammers want you to email them first before
bidding. That is to capture your email address, as once ebay shuts them
down, you will get something like I did on this 69 hemi Charger.
Note I DID "follow the scammers instructions" and email them directly off
ebay so "I could be pre approved" to bid! This is what I got back.....AFTER
Ebay shut down the auction:
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From: Sean Dominik <littleindian2006@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Paige Stakes
Subject: Re: charger auction
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:34:04 -0800 (PST)
Hello and sorry for the delay,
The 69' Charger is in perfect working condition. My experienced Dodge tech
has fully checked out this car and gives it a special high rating has a
CLEAR and CLEAN TITLE a great history and mechanically without any problems
ever safety check and pre-delivery inspection along with a fresh servicing
before I ship or deliver the vehicle. The problem is that in the meanwhile I
had to move with my family in Croatia where I got a new job as a
construction engineer. I brought the car here with me with the intention of
driving it but when I found out about the very high import duties and all
the restrictions regarding registration and emissions tests here I have made
up my mind and decided to sell the vehicle.
The amount you will have to pay for this vehicle is $6,000.I can deliver the
car but that you will cost you a little bit more depending on your location!
Let me know if you are still interested.
Regards,
Sean
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Looks innocent enough, however a $80,000 car for $6000. I may not be the
smartest stck of hammers at Home Depot but something fishy. So I decicded to
email them back again off Paige's email acting interested. I'll let ya'll
know how it comes out.
In the meantime, I think I will go bid on this Balwin Motion Camaro, aw
heck, he only wants $6800 for it anyhows:
http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZdevice430
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:38:32 -0500
From: moparedwalker@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fw: 82 concord V8 crossmember question
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <ADVANCES62IEAOeIiGX000000db@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I am now a member and i did get alot of good advice on how to fix it...Thanks SargeI have read alot of the posts tonight and this is one cool site. I will be posting more in the coming months. I will either put a 401 in my Concord or a 331 Hemi that I have laying around....eddie
On February 27, 2006 eddiestakes wrote:
> Eddie Walker is looking for a V8 crossmember for his 82 Concord. If anyone wishes to comment please feel free to, including interchanges and if you have one for sale, speak up, be sure to copy your reply to him as he is not a member of the Baadassgremlin or amc list at this time, maybe will join!
> Eddie Stakes'
> Planet Houston AMX
> 713.464.8825
> eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.planethoustonamx.com
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: eddie walker moparedwalker@xxxxxxxxx
> To: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:28 AM
> Subject: 82 concord
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> Hi Eddie
> I just bought an 82 Concord Dl 2 dr. I would like to put a v-8 into it. Does anyone make motor mount swaps for it? I tried Schumaker already. If not, what crossmembers fit that year. I really appreciate any advice you can give me....thanks for a wonderful site....eddie walker HEMI62VALIANT on ebay
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Subject: Re: torque specs for wheels
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-Id: <1141260662.30732.6.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:51:02 -0800
On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 16:03, Jay wrote:
> I had heard 90 lbs too, but I'm not sure i could break it loose with a 4-way
> wrench on the side of the road at 90 lbs.. 70lbs seems more reasonable.
They don't need to be all THAT tight... the studs/nuts are in shear, eg.
the torque is sideways to the stud, so they only have to be tight enough
to grip the wheel to the drum/spindle with enough force to overcome
elasticity in the stud and wheels.
I use an 18" breakerbar, 6" extention and socket. With my hand on the
extention, I tighten it "one hand tight". Probably 50 - 75 ft/lbs. I
keep the studs lubed too so they sping down with my fingers. Squeaking
rusty lugnuts make me crazy.
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From: "Richard Estermyer" <javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Toy Auction(s) II
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:52:56 -0500
Hey Gang,
No response to the complete auction of leftovers, so I relisted them in
catagories.
98 AMC toys http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7011905698
45 Jeeps
25 VW's
and 20 something of misc cars.
just click on other auctions of mine if interested.
Richard
Richard Estermyer
6235 S. Mohawk Avenue
Ypsilanti, MI 48197
734.483.5187
734.320.7066 cell
javelinman74@xxxxxxxxxxx
Check out my hobby!
www.a70sthingautomobilia.com
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:03:40 -0700
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: The Jig Is Up
Maybe they sprayed the silver on first from the front, and then the black from
the back, leaving the front silver untouched. :)
Ken
Quoting "Mr. AMC" <AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx>:
> I have no idea how they painted the silver detail on the grills and
> headlight doors at the factory. Working on the 2 headlight doors so far
> I innately thought they were just black plastic with the painted silver
> detail. Upon sanding the old silver off I found that on some spots there
> was silver over spray covered with flat black paint. It is going to be a
> lot of work but after finishing one headlight door I can see it will be
> well worth it. It will look factory but better. I just couldn't go the
> spray everything flat black route. :-)
> "Doc"
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:10:50 -0700
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: torque specs for wheels
78 shop manual says "75ftlbs. (service in-use recheck torque is 75-90 ftlbs.)"
Other years are probably the same. The 78 manual is the handiest to the computer. :)
Ken
Quoting Jay <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>:
> I looked for torque specs for tightening the wheel lugs but couldn't find
> the info in the shop manual or my service specs booklet. What is the correct
>
> torque? I tightened the wheel nuts with a 4-way wrench to what I thought
> was tight and then checked them with a to torque wrench and I had tightened
> with less than 70 ft/lbs.
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> Jay
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:13:01 -0700
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: 38 cars!
Yes, that's the current inventory. Some are parts only, others may be on the
road again, some are summer only, and an 85 Eagle wagon is the daily driver.
Ken
Quoting "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>:
> WOW 38 cars!!!!! Ken you are my hero! You own all of them right now
> right?
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> ~John
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Ames [mailto:ameskg@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:15 PM
> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: The Jig Is Up
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> How did the factory paint these things? Surely they didn't spent all
> that time masking each one.
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> Ken Ames
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> 39Master85w.partscar,67Marlin,68AMX,70Machine,73Matador2drht,73Hornet4ds
> d,
> 73-74-75-76GremlinXs,75PacerX,76Hornet2dsd,77Matadorcpe,2-77AMXs,78AMX,
> 78Gremlin,78GremlinGT,79Concordhb,79PacerDL8,2-79AMXs,2-80AMXs,
> 2-80SpiritDL,80Eagle4dsdn,2-81SX4s,81SpiritGT,81Concord4dsd,82Eaglesw,
> 2-85Eaglesw,80J20,85J10,89Sentra4dsd (38)
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> AMCA = http://clubs.hemmings.com/amcalberta/
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From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: torque specs for wheels
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:21:09 -0500
Thanks ken.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Ames" <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: torque specs for wheels
> 78 shop manual says "75ftlbs. (service in-use recheck torque is 75-90
> ftlbs.)"
> Other years are probably the same. The 78 manual is the handiest to the
> computer. :)
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> Ken
>
> Quoting Jay <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>:
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>> I looked for torque specs for tightening the wheel lugs but couldn't find
>> the info in the shop manual or my service specs booklet. What is the
>> correct
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>> torque? I tightened the wheel nuts with a 4-way wrench to what I
>> thought
>> was tight and then checked them with a to torque wrench and I had
>> tightened
>> with less than 70 ft/lbs.
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From: farna@xxxxxxx
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-List)
Subject: re: Ghost whispers
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:34:02 +0000
Message-Id: <030220060134.6371.44064B8A00045A85000018E321603763160E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
>>In some cases a stick on paper mask is made, but that's rare.
But more common now than when new AMC Hornets were sprayed...
http://tinyurl.com/qmbnu
Correct for re-sprays and custom jobs. I was referring mainly to production work. There may be cases where some of these newer products are used in production too, though.
> Now, no one cares that AMC tried hard to repeat its -earlier- success,
http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/H3309.jpg
or that it spent -heavily- trying to launch some of its later product.
No one cares that some at the end still were planning its future. No
AMC Allure, the '88 coupe that was to have been based on the '87 (then,
'88, "American Motors Corporation" ["Built by Chrysler"]) Premier, was
designed for AMC's return to NASCAR -- to run just as restrictor plates
were new, when Junior's Dad won just $739,175 (and McGriff just took a
$5,960 bite), when "brick" could've meant either a racecar or a
racetrack paving stone.
Was it an error that a Medallion pamphlet showed up in the McClellan's link instead of a Premier? I would think so, but maybe not. Both cars were really hindered by the Renault connection -- the Medallion was of course a Renault, and the Premier used many Renault parts. The American public isn't all that car knowledgeable in general, but it's hard to sell them something when they know the parent company has flown the coop! Even though it was well publicized that the Premier would be areound a few years, everyone knew it was just a matter of time, and resale values would be low when it came time to trade or sell. If Renault had hung in there AMC may be more like Nissan today than a memory. It would still have a French accent because there was little saleable AMC product left by the time Renault took over, but there would have been some new "blend" products similar in concept to the Premier. At least that was the promise. And marketing just may have convinced them to dub the A!
lpine the AMX/4 -- at least the Americanized version.
--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Independent
Magazine" (AIM)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)
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Message-ID: <44064CE2.7040107@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:39:46 -0800
From: C D Patterson <cdp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: mail Digest for 1 Mar 2006 entry
On 01/03/2006 mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx with quill in hand, scribed:
> From: "Mahoney, John" <JMahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>>> >>In some cases a stick on paper mask is made, but that's rare.
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> But more common now than when new AMC Hornets were sprayed...
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> Now it's March and February, 2006 is already just history.
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> So no one remembered what happened on February 28, 1986?
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> And no one remembered what happened on February 6, 1964?
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> What happened in January and February, 1954?
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> What AMC history happened, why, and when?=20
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> What might have happened to Reo Motors?
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> This really must be the zombie zone.
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> Bones can be heard to rattle.
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> White ghosts fly around. =20
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> Now we believe it.
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> AMC is dead.
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> Or are we?
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> Not all of us? OK, I'll toss -them- one White Bohn.
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> http://www.cr.nps.gov/nhl/DOE_dedesignations/Reo.htm
Brings back memories, John.. not all good as I recall.. once owned a
1936 REO Flying Cloud in my youth.. nothing special about that car, as I
recall.. standard looking 4 door sedan typical of many others of the period.
http://tinyurl.com/rcwjm
"The Reo Flying Cloud was also assembled in Canada briefly in the early
1930s by Dominion Motors in Toronto, formed out of the failed Durant
Motor Co. of Canada. And Reos were assembled in St. Catharines, Ontario,
prior to the Second World War."
http://tinyurl.com/ranc8
Guess I had one of the last ones produced.. only problem I ever had with
it, was having it die when I was out in the country.. vapour lock I
suspect, because it was fine the next day.. Traded it in on an Austin
A40 Devon at a Hudson Dealer that I was working for at the time.
Too bad I still don't have it, as there are only about 7 left in the
country.
http://tinyurl.com/mrwq5
By the Way, I enjoy your postings and look forward to them.
--
_____________Slainte!____________
C D Patterson Langford, BC. Canada
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From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: scammer on a string
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:42:30 -0600
Ha ha ha, I feel like that fellow on www.ebolamonkeyman.com who leads those
Nigerian Scammers along for months and makes fools fo them. Sadly, this guy
really thinks I am interested in that hemi Dodge Charger for uh, $6800. As
mentioned before, here is the reply from the scammer ebay auction:
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Hi again Paige,
The car is currently located in Zagreb (Croatia).
As I said in my first email I brought the car to Croatia with the intention
of driving it here, however I wasn't able to register it since I am supposed
to pay huge fees to make it legal for European streets and also have to
start an individual procedure for the car through the croatian government
and i really can't afford these expenses right now. The car is mint from
front to rear it has been garage kept all the time including at the present
time, adult driven, never been raced or wrecked.
If delivered, you will get the car to the nearest port in your area and then
it will be trucked forward to your place.
Shipping takes maximum 10 to 12 days depending on your location, it's fully
insured against damages and the car gets shipped in a crated container.
Total price of the car including shipping costs and insurance all the way to
your place is $6,800.
Here are a few words on how the deal will be handled: the transaction will
go through eBay Motors where I have a purchase protection account of
$20,000.They will take care of the financial part by holding the funds until
you will get the car and give your acceptance for it.
You will have a 3 days period for inspecting the vehicle.At the end of this
period you will have to notify eBay with the result of your inspection so I
can get my money.
In order to start all the arrangements with eBay I will need buyer's full
name,phone # and shipping address.
I have a few guys interested so I will need a prompt answer from you!
Respectfully,
Sean
Paige Stakes wrote:
Hi yes I am still interested in the vehicle, the Charger, if it is still
for sale. I can't seem to find the auction either, it simply disappeared, it
was up this morning when I emailed you, but this afternoon not even the
listing number from ebay, as I typed it in and it said the auction was
closed and cancelled. Thanks,
Paige
Amazing. And for what it is worth, chances are the scammer is leading on
dozens of people like this, even though the ebay auction was shut down,
their yahoo account is still up.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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