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- Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:05:59 -0800
Topics covered in this issue include:
1: Re: Wagon Robe Rail
by Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
2: RamblerRama Canada Cruise Day
by SJohn89715@xxxxxxx
3: Re: More on '62 Classic ( 400 ) losing habitat....
by farna@xxxxxxx
4: 69 Rebel wagon...
by "Savage, Pete" <PSavage@xxxxxxxxxxx>
5: Re: Oh, AMC-Renault
by "Mahoney, John" <JMahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6: Reproduction decals?
by AMX1970@xxxxxxx
7: Re: More on '62 Classic ( 400 ) losing habitat....
by Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
8: My Hornet paint...
by Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
9: Re: 69 Rebel wagon...
by adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
10: AMC model 20 posi
by "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
11: Re: My Hornet paint...
by amckiwi@xxxxxxxxxxxx
12: Rambler Front FS
by JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
13: Re: AMC model 20 posi
by adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
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Subject: Re: Wagon Robe Rail
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-Id: <1141320268.5539.13.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:24:32 -0800
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 09:02, JOE FULTON wrote:
> The 62 two-door is unique. If the eventual owner of
> that car needs parts, I
> still have plenty which I purchased for my failed
> project and have not yet
> sold.
Wow, I didn't pick up on the fact that it's a two-door... I've never
even seen one before, it would be sweet...
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:05:39 -0500
From: SJohn89715@xxxxxxx
Subject: RamblerRama Canada Cruise Day
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <ADVANCES62wrblZz02H00000120@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
For any of you U.S. folk living near the Ontario Canada border, mark down Saturday June 24th in your calendar to come attend the annual cruise day for our Northern Ramblers Car Club of Canada. Location is Port Perry, about a 2.5 hour drive from Niagara Falls, or 3.5 hours from Watertown NY. Great day of fun and commaraderie for AMC enthusiasts, plus swap meet. For information, including local accommodations, please contact me at 905-939-8050 or email me at sjohn89715@xxxxxxxx Hope to see you there.
Steve Johnston,
Newsletter Editor/Archivist,
Northern Ramblers Car Club of Canada,
Check us out at (http://www.northernramblers.org) and join up today (U.S. AMC
brethren are welcome)
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:34:39 -0500
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: More on '62 Classic ( 400 ) losing habitat....
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <ADVANCES62uUX3wPMpe00000128@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
IIRC all the "400" series had bucket seats (big square ones) and I'm pretty sure a console. It might have the hydraulic tilting seats too! Check for an extra lever near the bottom outside edge. It's for a small hydraulic pump. This activated a cylinder that let you "pump up" (tilt) the front of the seat. Nice little feature -- couldn't get that until 6 way power seats came out. Almost as good as the Renault/Jeep "rocking" seats. I'd have put a set of those in my car if they didn't sit up so high (in Renaults and Jeeps).
On March 2, 2006 Tom Jennings wrote:
> It had: padded dash, pushbutton trans, aluminum between the taillights
> (like the Hornets), rear vents, bucket seats, couldn't tell you
> o-fish-all-ee what 400 package contained though.
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Subject: 69 Rebel wagon...
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:00:00 -0500
Message-ID: <E480ED1D2ACDD04CBF83DB613E74067301A4A788@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Savage, Pete" <PSavage@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Folks,
I own a very nice 69 rebel station wagon with a 6 cylinder 232 motor =
with an=20
automatic transmission.
While I really like driving this car it does not have a whole lot of =
spunk and lacks the pure
fun of a muscle car.
Also, I have a complete SC/Rambler 390 with T10 and 3.54 rear and I am =
considering dropping this
setup into the wagon to make it much more fun to drive...
Sooooooo, my question is: what is involved in swapping in the V8? Does =
the Rebel require
a crossmember change similar to other AMCs? What else is involved with =
this swap? Special
parts, items to fabricate, etc.?
Did the AMC 69 Rebel wagon originally come from the factory with the 390 =
engine?
If I do this swap I will do it in such a way that I can revert it back =
to its original state, so please lets
not debate the fact I am even considering this swap.
Thanks in advance!
Peter
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Subject: Re: Oh, AMC-Renault
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:34:31 -0500
Message-ID: <E8DF38ACFC17F94998DE284C5CE4582A462B6F@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Mahoney, John" <JMahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To turn the wheel (or the screws) another turn tighter on what you all =
forgot to remember [!] during the month of February, let's circle back =
to remember exactly how some of American Motors forgotten history came =
to come around. =20
http://www.kruse.com/news/concours/DSC02877.JPG
http://tinyurl.com/gaw9d
http://tinyurl.com/j5egq
Get a grip on such facts.
Charles, thanks for the interesting Reo comments. I can concur with=20
>>Too bad I still don't have it, as there are only about 7 left...
because a Reo is among the very few cars I -didn't- buy that I wish I =
had. It must be 15 or 20 years ago now that I passed up a two-tone =
burgundy-on-black Royale sedan asking ~$8000. I didn't believe that its =
paint formula was perfect. 2 or 3 years ago, a similar [the same?] car =
was sold in TX for almost -four- times as much. Few closed cars can be =
as valuable (or as beautiful?) as open ones (especially if they have 4 =
doors instead of 2...) but as a Full Classic, it's still an "orphan" car =
bargain. Like an AMC? =20
http://www.adclassix.com/images/31reoroyale.jpg
http://www.tomstrongman.com/ClassicCars/VicMacek/Index.htm
And it's probably prettier than a mower.
http://www.rareads.com/scans1/27800.jpg
>>
Correct for re-sprays and custom jobs. I was referring mainly to =
production work. There may be cases where some of these newer products =
are used in production too, though.
<<
Frank, OEMs are using more and more adhesive masking these days; in some =
cases, film that even does "double duty" for in-shipment protection. It =
won't be long before new cars come completely covered with plastics --- =
and after they're removed, they still will be plastered with the stuff. =
Engine shrouds, wheel well liners, underbody panels: nothing but plastic =
to behold. Your car unlocks itself as you approach, you pull a "brushed =
nickel" door handle, push a start button on a "carbon fiber" dash (or on =
a "chrome" shifter), and now settled into a soft "suede" seat, you check =
behind to back out of your parking space or garage. What you've touched =
and looked through is plastic! And they told us that would happen long, =
long ago. =20
http://tinyurl.com/o8yey
http://tinyurl.com/n9493
http://tinyurl.com/fzyjr
http://www.alcantara.com/
http://tinyurl.com/ecor3
>>
Was it an error that a Medallion pamphlet showed up in the McClellan's =
link instead of a Premier? I would think so, but maybe not. Both cars =
were really hindered by the Renault connection -- the Medallion was of=20
<<
No, the Medallion manual was shown because it was for American Motors =
Sales staff and because Medallion had a surprisingly expensive launch: =
Expensive by AMC standards and extensive even by those of AMC-Renault. =
Medallion was a much more "important" product than AMC history knows.
I can't quote stories or statistics off the top of my head (and don't =
intend to look them up), but the Medallion [consumer] brochure itself =
was a very big deal. Top talent, multiple designs, expensive prints, =
the whole shebang. Not at all typical of AMC during its final years.
>> =20
If Renault had hung in there AMC may be more like Nissan today than a =
memory. It would still have a French accent because there was little =
saleable AMC product left by the time Renault took over, but there would =
have been some new "blend" products similar in concept to the Premier.
<<
Exactly what's happening today: Nissan is more "weird" and Renault is =
more "normal" and both are better off. If you're keeping up with the =
Geneva debuts, you may even have seen one car that, before I read the =
blurb above and below the photo, I had said to myself, "Which make is =
THAT?" A millisecond later, as I realized what it was, I said, "That =
sure doesn't look like a RENAULT!" Click the first five bilder from:
http://www.autobild.de/aktuell/meldungen/artikel.php?artikel_id=3D10899
or, if you wish, read more:
http://www.daciagroup.com/
The Iron Curtain has opened and the world is now one big shopping mall.
>>
And marketing just may have convinced them to dub the Alpine the AMX/4
<<
So some DO remember --- and care about --- old, dead historical facts!
I'm relieved to read that: I feared there was no future in AMC's past.
I might be re-inspired to write more; I might re-consider selling out.
But I never feared that one day, there might be a Cadillac Ambassador.
http://tinyurl.com/hbnk9
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Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:09:49 -0500
From: AMX1970@xxxxxxx
Subject: Reproduction decals?
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <ADVANCES62K5LqN33HF00000132@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Anyone know who makes the drivers door decal/sticker? Its the decal
with the build date & VIN. I'd also like to know who sells the decal
material sheets. I'd like to make some decals for myself.
Thanks,
Ron
70 Donohue 390
70 Ambo 360 Musclewagon-still for sale - reduced $3995 Obo
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Subject: Re: More on '62 Classic ( 400 ) losing habitat....
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-Id: <1141340050.23405.4.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:54:11 -0800
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 11:34, farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> IIRC all the "400" series had bucket seats (big square ones) and I'm pretty sure a console. It might have the hydraulic tilting seats too! Check for an extra lever near the bottom outside edge. It's for a small hydraulic pump. This activated a cylinder that let you "pump up" (tilt) the front of the seat. Nice little feature -- couldn't get that until 6 way power seats came out. Almost as good as the Renault/Jeep "rocking" seats. I'd have put a set of those in my car if they didn't sit up so high (in Renaults and Jeeps).
Well I'm certain mine did not have the "Airliner" seats or whatever that
option was called, nor did it have a console. The Airliner seats were in
the owners manual -- I recall drooling on the page.
I suppose those were extra-cost options. Mine had a 2bbl Holley carb
too. My friends at the time (1970's) of course insisted that it had to
be a chevy 327 (and were dumbfounded when they looked at it) and that I
added the Holley (nope).
> On March 2, 2006 Tom Jennings wrote:
>
> > It had: padded dash, pushbutton trans, aluminum between the taillights
> > (like the Hornets), rear vents, bucket seats, couldn't tell you
> > o-fish-all-ee what 400 package contained though.
>
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Subject: My Hornet paint...
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
To: amc-list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-Id: <1141340872.23405.19.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:07:53 -0800
Not done YET!!! Close though -- I pick it up Saturday. Just needs some
final drying and sanding.
Damn it looks good! The two-tone, color on top, works perfectly. Exactly
the effect I wanted -- looks like an import-scene car (aka "rice
rocket") made by AMC in the 1960's.
The paint turned out weird -- good weird. On 1999 Audi TT's, it's
straight-up neutral grey (I'd say 5% towards blue, as opposed to brown,
direction). I had 'em leave out the metalflake, which gave it a faintly
bluish cast. With clear coat, in sunlight, it's definitely got a strong
blue tint. There's no way to know this stuff except to squirt, sand,
coat, sand, ...
Luckily the white I picked complements it perfectly. Its far bluer than
I wanted, but it looks totally great. The color is simply inexplicable,
a real standout. And the finish is like glass.
The doors and most of the interior is white, interior vinyl is neutral
gray (same as SEM Warm Grey).
The gray/white line will get a 3/32" black tape stripe. I really want
painted pinstripe, but I will later get nomenclature done in two-tone
white and grey ("Rambler Hornet", "4.2L", etc but in a retro-modern
typeface like I did with the gauges)
(Yes Rambler Hornet, I like that better. Like the Mythbuster guy says,
"I substitute my reality for yours". Only AMCers will know to object.
I'll just say it was assembled in the Azores or something.)
$2000 even total for body work and two-color paint, not bad. The usual
zillion shopping-cart dings, filled all the trim holes, door crease,
poked front fender tip. Who says you can't get good work done in cities?
(Just can't be in a hurry is all.)
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:29:14 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <200603022229.k22MTEY10368@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: 69 Rebel wagon...
" From: "Savage, Pete" <PSavage@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
"
" I own a very nice 69 rebel station wagon with a 6 cylinder 232 motor with an
" automatic transmission.
"
" While I really like driving this car it does not have a whole lot of
" spunk and lacks the pure fun of a muscle car.
"
" Also, I have a complete SC/Rambler 390 with T10 and 3.54 rear and I am
" considering dropping this setup into the wagon to make it much more fun
" to drive...
"
" Sooooooo, my question is: what is involved in swapping in the V8? Does
" the Rebel require a crossmember change similar to other AMCs? What else
" is involved with this swap? Special parts, items to fabricate, etc.?
"
" Did the AMC 69 Rebel wagon originally come from the factory with the 390
" engine?
wagons certainly came with v8s. not sure about the crossmember.
also, i'm not sure if six-cyl rebels still had amc15 axles then, but
if it does you'll want an amc20 for sure. good news - any '69-up
large car rear is the ticket. imho you'll also want to grab some
late-style front disks. the only diff between large and small cars is
the biggies used the big bendix setup more years and none of the small
bendix etc setups that followed it. and of course v8 front springs,
from espo or eaton detroit or the like. my preference would be hd all
around; they're not particularly stiff by modern standards.
got any plans for wheels and tires?
" If I do this swap I will do it in such a way that I can revert it back
" to its original state, so please lets not debate the fact I am even
" considering this swap.
just a nit: what will you do about the floor shifter hole?
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: AMC model 20 posi
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:25:40 -0600
Hello listers.
Can anyone help me with some information regarding twin grip for the AMC
model 20. Did Jeep call this feature "Posi TracK Loc" ? Or is that just a
term a guy came up with cause he couldn't think of Twin Grip.
Will my 2:87 gear ratio in my 70 AMC model 20 work on a jeep track loc
carrier that had 2:72 gears ?? I want to swap carriers.
Get my old open differential out and get in a new "posi" Twin Grip diff in,
but I would like to retain the gear ratio. I seem to recall
discussions on here that referred to the 2:87 and maybe 3.08 gear ratios fit
one carrier and the higher ratios need a different carrier. Any useful
information any one can help me with is most appreciated. I have my eye on a
differential that had jeep 2:72 gears on it.
Thanks,
Armand
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Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:14:01 +0800
From: amckiwi@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: My Hornet paint...
Tom
If the car was in Australia it would be a Rambler Hornet
They never made the change to AMC here
Am looking forward to seeing some pics
Cheers
Stu
Melbourne
Australia
Quoting Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>:
> Not done YET!!! Close though -- I pick it up Saturday. Just needs some
> final drying and sanding.
>
> Damn it looks good! The two-tone, color on top, works perfectly. Exactly
> the effect I wanted -- looks like an import-scene car (aka "rice
> rocket") made by AMC in the 1960's.
>
> The paint turned out weird -- good weird. On 1999 Audi TT's, it's
> straight-up neutral grey (I'd say 5% towards blue, as opposed to brown,
> direction). I had 'em leave out the metalflake, which gave it a faintly
> bluish cast. With clear coat, in sunlight, it's definitely got a strong
> blue tint. There's no way to know this stuff except to squirt, sand,
> coat, sand, ...
>
> Luckily the white I picked complements it perfectly. Its far bluer than
> I wanted, but it looks totally great. The color is simply inexplicable,
> a real standout. And the finish is like glass.
>
> The doors and most of the interior is white, interior vinyl is neutral
> gray (same as SEM Warm Grey).
>
> The gray/white line will get a 3/32" black tape stripe. I really want
> painted pinstripe, but I will later get nomenclature done in two-tone
> white and grey ("Rambler Hornet", "4.2L", etc but in a retro-modern
> typeface like I did with the gauges)
>
> (Yes Rambler Hornet, I like that better. Like the Mythbuster guy says,
> "I substitute my reality for yours". Only AMCers will know to object.
> I'll just say it was assembled in the Azores or something.)
>
> $2000 even total for body work and two-color paint, not bad. The usual
> zillion shopping-cart dings, filled all the trim holes, door crease,
> poked front fender tip. Who says you can't get good work done in cities?
> (Just can't be in a hurry is all.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:14:18 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Rambler Front FS
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
In an effort to save "everything but the squeal" from
the 64 Rambler hardtop before it was crushed a couple
of weeks ago, I cut out the front driver's side fender
well. This part includes the part underneath the
battery tray that is sometimes full of rust.
This was a California car in great shape. This part
should fit any 64 through 69 Rambler American. I don't
have the whole fender well. The vertical cut was made
a few inches behind the battery tray area. I can send
pics. Before it goes on Ebay:
$40 plus shipping for the part.
$10 plus shipping for the battery tray.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 22:39:53 -0500 (EST)
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From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: AMC model 20 posi
" From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
"
" Can anyone help me with some information regarding twin grip for the AMC
" model 20. Did Jeep call this feature "Posi TracK Loc" ? Or is that just a
" term a guy came up with cause he couldn't think of Twin Grip.
it's possible they were made by different suppliers.
" Will my 2:87 gear ratio in my 70 AMC model 20 work on a jeep track loc
" carrier that had 2:72 gears ?? I want to swap carriers.
i don't think so. i'm pretty sure the 2.87s fit the '3 series'
carrier; afaik the only one that existed until the 2.73 and 2.56
of the mid '70s, which have their own carrier.
" Get my old open differential out and get in a new "posi" Twin Grip diff in,
" but I would like to retain the gear ratio. I seem to recall
" discussions on here that referred to the 2:87 and maybe 3.08 gear ratios fit
" one carrier and the higher ratios need a different carrier. Any useful
" information any one can help me with is most appreciated. I have my eye on a
" differential that had jeep 2:72 gears on it.
i've just learned that while most hummer models had 2.73s and a few
had 2.56s, one heavy model had 3.08s. it's just possible this gear is
made to fit the 2-series carrier, unlike the jeep 3.07 and 3.31. it
would simplify am general's parts situation to have only one diff
instead of two. btw, the diff is a torsen posi.
[otoh, if it turns out that the 3.08 is a regular 3-series gear and am
general does have two diffs for the hummer, that's good news - torsens
for everyone!]
the amc20 has a lot of gears --
2-series: 2.56, 2.73, and maybe the hummer 3.08
3-series: 2.87, 3.07, 3.15, 3.31, 3.54, 3.73, etc...
also btw if you don't want a torsen the jeep aftermkt has loads of
other posis for the amc20. just ask randy's ring and pinion...
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Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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