Due to women on this list and children who may read this I have really toned down the actual wording on this post. This is a really a very sore subject with me as I have seen many good cars go to the crusher because of this "Get A Tractor" type deal. "Tractor This" . "Doc" ----------------------------- Couldn't agree more Doc! And 90% of the time - they run the trip on you just to see it work > then brags about it to her girlfriends later. '....... he wanted an old car but I made him get an old tractor to work on.........' > joke being: so he can Till her > get it ? And yes, it is related to the phenomenon of dogs whizzing on yard trees. Brien. NEW YORK eagle registry #501 eagle kammback registry