Re: Fw: History of Jeep and the Jeep Liberty (diesel)

[adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)]

" From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
" 
" On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Sandwich Maker wrote:
" 
" > suppose you can get a toyota prius for $20k [hah!]
" > suppose you can get an echo, which the prius is based on, for $10k.
" > the echo btw has good room for 4 and weighs 800lbs less than the
" > prius.
" 
" It of course makes less stinky stuff out the rear, which a lot of
" people choose to include in the cost.

but it's not much better than the diesel, and they have an aygo city
model which does as well as the prius - mileage and emissions -
without being either diesel or hybrid.  it must partly be weight; the
aygo gross is 300 lbs less than the prius curb eight.

" > now also suppose the echo gets 30mpg and the prius 45.  i know, they
" > claim 55 but autoweek's experience over several months is a very
" > steady 42-43.  [remember also that the hybrid won't help you at all
" > on the highway]
" 
" I have a friend who consciensously drives with an eye on the
" []
" He has severely changed his driving habits to match the car. It's
" not an unreasonable thing; we change our habits between AMXs with
" built 401's and older Americans with 195.6's.

that's true, and a good point.

" > on top of all this, toyota makes a perfectly good diesel echo which
" > gets about 45mpg [us equiv] in the european cycle, and it's not nearly
" > as expensive as the prius.  you can see it at www.toyota.co.uk as the
" > yaris.  and it can be fueled on biodiesel, if you want to be 'green'.
" > some folks on the net are claiming to make it for under $1/gal but i
" > think that's assuming free waste fryer oil, and methanol made from
" > petroleum.  but if you don't worry about food-grade processing [also
" > look up 'cellulosic ethanol'] i wouldn't be a bit surprised if $3/gal
" > wasn't in the range - and biodiesel can be used anywhere #2 diesel is,
" > including your furnace.  it's even better for the machinery,
" > lubricates better and burns cleaner - and with a better smell.
" 
" Honda's Civic GX (natural gas) car available sort of in Calif. is
" a big winner, the cleanest I.C. car ever rated. About $22k, but
" tax breaks make it better and apparently more breaks on the way.

now all you have to do is find those natural gas filling stations -
frequently, since it can't carry much cng...

and how does one rate the emissions of biodiesel, since they all came
out of the air to grow the plants in the first place?  does a
biodiesel vehicle thus have zero [net] emissions?
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