Re: VIN again

[Jock J Jocewicz <namdra@xxxxxxxx>]

Andre,
  I agree with you on the door tag, the original should be put on if you
replaced the door. One of my kids just bought a 67 Rogue race car and the
door tag helped us identify the original color of the car, etc. But guess
what, the VIN tag was missing under the hood. We checked with the storage
place that he got the car from and they had emptied things out of the
trunk and included was the VIN tag, which they gave him back. Why the
original owner took it off I don't know.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:13:10 -0500 Andre K Jacobs <akjamc@xxxxxxxx>
writes:
> Jock
> I know what you are saying about the door tag, BUT it to is part of 
> the
> identity of the car, has color, year, model info and all. AMC used 
> the
> VINs, and body sequence numbers to track running changes, and 
> recall
> info, as well as other things. The tag also has the " this vehicle 
> is
> SAFE for the road", " intended for public HWY use" etc ( not 
> verbatim).
> This is why the SS/AMXs DON'T have door tags ( liability). I have 
> had a
> lot of cars that have had the drivers door replaced and the tag 
> removed
> from the door. I have found that it usually was done early in the 
> cars
> life. I can not say, but I believe this was done because the cars 
> were
> new enough to go to a "real" body shop, where they followed the law, 
> and
> REMOVED the tag, as the tag would no longer be correct for that car. 
> Some
> times I would get the original tag when I picked up a car, the 
> owner
> would have it with the paper work, but it was never installed 
> because of
> the rivet issue, most of the time, they were pulled off and tossed. 
> 
>   The other post about the engine, and other swaps, You are correct 
> here.
> You can change these items, and it has nothing to do with the VIN ( 
> well,
> mostly) , or tampering with the VIN. Making a clone, is  different 
> then
> what is discussed here. You will find however, that a lot of states 
> have
> laws against some of this, well kind of. Once again I have not 
> checked,
> but in Texas, you can not put an earlier model engine in a latter 
> model
> car . You can put a later model in an earlier car. You are also 
> supposed
> to let the DMV know that you put a later model engine in, and they 
> will
> change the date of the car from what it was to the date of the 
> engine.
> IE, a 36 Ford PU with an 82 350, is LEGALLY now a 1982 Ford pick up 
> (
> yeah I know stupid), and I have seen a FEW hot rods advertised this 
> way (
> folks being honest, as their title now states its a such and such 
> year,
> instead of what year it was). This was common in the US, as the 1st 
> place
> identification numbers were put were on the engines, and even to 
> the
> point, that the title, WENT with the engine if the engine was sold 
> and
> installed in a different vehicle.
> The rivets are illegal ( unless the law has been changed) and thats 
> why
> they are expensive. The excuse that they are sold everywhere is 
> just
> that. There are numerous activities that go one that are illegal, 
> just
> because they go on, just because everybody is doing it, does not 
> change
> the fact that something is illegal ( ENRON). If one thinks that its
> illegal only if one is caught, that makes one a REAL criminal. 
> Knowing
> and then doing this activity ( any illegal act), shows criminality, 
> not
> knowing ( truly not knowing) that something is illegal is not a 
> criminal
> act, does not mean one has not broken the law, just shows INTENT,  
> and in
> that intent, show whether one is a criminal, or an innocent person 
> in the
> wrong situation. 
> Sorry folks too much to write on this. I did try calling the Oregon 
> DMV (
> 541-384-2224, no answer, might be wrong number). I was going to ask 
> if it
> was OK with them for me to us the VIN and title of a 74 Pinto on my 
> no
> title 77 Pinto. You can do this ( any and all of you in your states, 
> and
> lets see how many states allow you to do this on your own with OUT
> letting them know). I'm sure IF some body REALLY wanted to know, 
> they
> could research the correct info, instead of all the folks talking 
> about
> HOW to do it illegally, and making excuses as to WHY. If this were 
> a
> topic about getting taking on E-bay, you guys would all be talking 
> about
> how to CORRECT the problem, and how wrong or bad the deal was , not 
> many
> state, that E-bay ( and most everything else) have a STATED  policy, 
> when
> in fact there is only a policy of lies, excuses, etc ( no 
> enforcement).
> You think one way when you get screwed, but funny how many jump on 
> to
> tell others how to screw people!, and YES, if you swap numbers, and 
> you
> don't disclose it, you are SCREWING the next guy.
> I am not calling anybody a criminal, or morally judging anybody, I 
> too
> understand the arguments, I too do not see or agree with some of 
> the
> laws, I too like to save good cars, all I am saying, ( and in 
> reality all
> that needed to be said) is:
> It is illegal, do it at your own risk.
> 
> Andre " A.J." Jacobs, 
> web page http://southtexasamc.tripod.com
> (830)-980-3165 , akjamc@xxxxxxxx 
> 
> Owner & Proprietor, South Texas AMC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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