>> Having a bad day? << No, just a rude awakening --- after nine (plus thirty) AMC years of learning. >> We know how to say thanks. << Some do, many don't --- as I was recently reminded. Embarrassment over failure to find one particular piece of Chapin (Jr.) paper (for his son) led to assessment of my "archive" and action to reduce its bulk. Too many hours later, fifty [!] pounds of information I thought -should- be available in print or on the net was bagged and shredded (so no names or addresses were compromised.) As I caught a few Lapine-Porsche-Pacer pages in the nick of time, Packard/Detroit in 1956 and Pierce/Buffalo in 1938 came to mind. Four boxes (six feet of AM stuff: from written notes to typescripts to original documents or copies) and thousands of pages remain. That's in addition to the eye candy (sketches, detail drawings, renderings, photos) and gloss (sales tools, ad images) that could fill a taste for several $24.99 AMC "history" books if served with lightweight captions. The cross-reference materials so sorely needed to tell how Nash-Hudson-Rambler-American Motors-Jeep fit into the bigger scheme of American auto manufacturing are another category yet. The "marketable" items would interest many; the "rare" material would be of value only to the most motivated of AM fanatics; the "reams" of paper recycled could make the most fanatic of them wonder where AMC has gone. Nine years ago, this list was something: it was full of facts, figures, learning and enthusiasm from young and old. Over nine years, I flung facts and figures with public abandon and sent private info. I tried many ways to share information and seek connection; I actually boxed up gifts and mailed them. I spent $25, $35, $50 on postage more than once. Of those recipients, only three reciprocated. Two never even e-mailed a simple "thanks." Maybe books, toys and trivia weren't what the doctors and the dudes ordered. Or maybe AMC people don't know how they come across. Too many of the posts I shredded were filled with bluster, name-calling and pointed fingers. Too many of the most promising --- nearly ALL the most promising, to be blunt --- posters appear to be long gone. List standbys are to be appreciated and their devotion --- despite what names they've been called [Jock, meet Frank: you're both after the betterment of AMC, aren't you?] are to be lauded, but the negatives of "being AMC" or "being Rambler" demand more than just letting things go. Thanking some freelance scribe for a few inches in the Times wasn't what I was suggesting; making a hobby more appealing was. In the sports section of yesterday's Rochester newspaper, an article on playing surfaces contained these words: "Comparing the new artificial turf to grass] 'is like night and day. You're talking about a Cadillac and a Nash.'" (I doubt the speaker had any idea who was president of General Motors once.) Starting from disadvantages and blowing opportunities to rise higher, whether in 1955 or 2005, is what I was writing about. If Japan built cars like American Motors fans build their future, I wouldn't see the brand new Acura RL that has pulled up outside my window. Its paint looks like molten silver. Some might still say, "It's just a Honda." Someday, they might also be the ones who can't even afford to own a 1983 AMC Concord. >> When folks call your AMC 'ugly', you send them here... <http://tanetane92.web.infoseek.co.jp/20050116tas2.html> << The Fairlady and Skyline are counted as "future classics" by some of the world's top car designers; the faux four-door hardtop (w/M-B taillights) is as good as Detroit's best "golden age" examples ever got, and, if you park a Concord or Spirit fast hatchback beside the Cosmo, similarity to AMC's best will be evident. "Ugly" is in the eye of beholders --- and in the hand of those who customize. http://www.3dfinlay.net/gallery/album85/nissan300zx http://www.3dfinlay.net/gallery/album85/skyline_blueprint_16colors http://www.tocmp.com/brochures/Chev/1966/Corvair/1966CorvairBrochure/Corvair 66_07.html http://www.tocmp.com/brochures/Chev/1965/Caprice/pages/1965Ccapricebrochurep age1_JPG.htm http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/amcar/brochures/mopar/56imperial/4.html And some think being "square" is a compliment... http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1964/Ads/LeBaronQuiet.jpg Too bad American Motors never -earned- any second chances to update. http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/amcar/brochures/misc/59ram.html [Forum folk take note of the nomenclature. George Romney knew (he said, and took action) that although Nash and Hudson became "Rambler" for '58, American Motors' success and survival required that it not be a Rambler-priced nameplate. He never planned to run an "economy car-only" company and AM never --- even when it had virtually no lines left after 1980 --- wanted to have nothing but compacts. As the Hyundai president said, no car company can ever hope to exist selling just "lower-priced" vehicles. And even before he died, Henry was forced to admit that truism as well. Today, what is still the world's largest car company came to admit something else that Henry --- James, Walter and Charlie --- all knew: "Our own studies show that consumers place a tangible value on the General Motors name" -Mark LaNeve, April 13, 2005 Starting in 2006, every GM vehicle will wear a GM badge. (GM was the only major US automaker that did not market under its corporate name...) A good corporate name, like GM, AMC or even Rambler, when used for more than a few years and on a line of readily related products (who'd expect to see Pacer beside Gremlin in the same catalog and showroom?) tells the consumer that that automaker is strong. Strong companies back up their products. And rarely change their names. To specific Forum folks, there's more Rambler in AMX, Javelin, Gremlin and Hornet than you may want to admit, but then there's more Golf in a new Passat than its Phaeton style is supposed to show. There was more bad about the drawn-out struggle to update retail outlets of AMC than there was good in Nash Rambler nostalgia (frugality?, mentality?) that lasted into the early '70s. Finally, Fallbrook (what a fine place to "be into" AMC --- that turnaround on the hill once filled with AMC and Packard and Mopar and Full Classic machines should be hallowed ground) is correct that AMX will be the leading "musclecar" representative of AMC (as both a commodity and as a dream), but the two genuine Muscle Cars (tm) from AMC may become equally important outside of AMC circles. Both in sense and cents. And FWIW, while the Nash Met did point toward a future of Capris (not Caprice), Colts and such "captive imports" --- just as did the Nash-Healey point toward Iso and Monteverdi banquets, the American Austin (not the Austin America) laid a Bantam egg that hatch a trend way back in 1929. Styling was changed and things were <duh> necessarily moved around, but royalties are never paid for being similar. That's one of the few things that Henry Ford and Charlie Nash readily agreed upon. Selden (the patent) Street is a few blocks away from my window, too. >> talk my 14 year old into wanting it! He currently thinks BMW's and Mercedes are the only cars worth having << CR rated M-B's 2004 E-Class the most unreliable car sold in the United States and BMW isn't exactly up to Toyota today. http://www.bmwtrack.com/bmw_reliability_data.htm If he won't read it in German (have you read what Lutz just said about the capability of American automotive engineers? When he speaks the truth in Deutsch and English, is he "having a bad day" under the Motown "ciel" {O, curses, seeing a Buick Cadillac Nash Rambler Land aut in the sky!} http://retractable.free.fr/pics/bkcielo03.jpg http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/amcar/inside/buick/bilder/cielo1.jpg http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/amcar/inside/buick/bilder/cielo2.jpg or isn't anyone at RenCen really raring to disagree with his view?) Anyway, back on the Beam, er, or if Deutsch Triple-A is Bush league, {Should America be very proud it -finally- has a modern-era President who can speak a second language or be embarrassed by Spanglish sounds? Why haven't our education tax dollars and union membership done more?} http://www.adac.de/default.asp maybe he'll read the 2005 list Image Ranking 1 Mercedes-Benz 2 BMW 3 Audi 4 VW 5 Porsche 6 Volvo 7 Opel 8 Jaguar 9 Renault 10 Toyota 11 Ford 12 Alfa Romeo 13 Peugeot 14 Mazda 15 Skoda 16 Smart 17 Saab 18 Citroen 19 Honda 20 Chrysler 21 Nissan 22 Mitsubishi 23 Fiat 24 Seat 25 Land Rover 26 Hyundai 27 Kia 28 Daewoo 29 Lancia 30 Rover 31 Subaru 32 Daihatsu 33 Suzuki Reliability Ranking 1 Toyota 2 Subaru 3 Honda 4 Mazda 5 Nissan 6 Mitsubishi 7 Suzuki 8 Porsche 9 Saab 10 Hyundai 11 BMW 12 Daihatsu 13 Volvo 14 Jaguar 15 Citroen 16 Kia 17 Skoda 18 Lancia 19 Daewoo 20 Peugeot 21 Ford 22 Seat 23 Renault 24 Alfa Romeo 25 Rover 26 Audi 27 Opel 28 Chrysler 29 Smart 30 Fiat 31 VW 32 Mercedes-Benz 33 Land Rover and wonder what DaimlerChrysler's been doing? It's not a new problem. http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1044433,00.html >> The church of the '70 AMX 12 slat grille.... and Hmmm, would that be the '84 Ford Mustang SVO with turbo 2.3? << Steve's looking and thinking (which is the best point of departure), but my "slant" was toward the first AM job by Teague ('61 Ambassador front end I linked to) and the last AMC car he designed. The one-off for PPG. Some of which feeling would have found its way to production as a Spirit AMX Turbo. If AMC hadn't dug its own grave by then. I could have added a link to the "Breedlove nose" as well, but if fingers would be pointed and names called, I won't. It's in all the AMC books. Good luck. (A brand new BMW 5-sedan has now parked in front of the Acura TL. It's every bit as attractive; its white paint looks like it was chiseled out of Carrara (not Carrera) marble, and its giant cross-laced alloys gleam like platinum. There's a reason American motors, like American Motors, are in decline. It starts with a product; the product becomes a brand. No matter how hyper AMX prices become, if AMC never matures into more than "just" Nash or a Rambler, Rodney Dangerfield will stay its patron saint.) Time to go before a Lexus parks for the restaurant. Have a good (or bad) day.