Topics covered in this issue include:
1: Re: 304/290/200R4
by Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
2: Re: Re: We laugh; we cry
by <badass73gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3: Re: Critique of the Critic
by <badass73gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4: Re: RE:Matt/Jay/power steering discussion
by stover@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 22:27:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: 304/290/200R4
Message-ID: <20050505221712.C757@localhost>
On Thu, 5 May 2005 fljab@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
I'm actually interested in TBI since reading the Megasquirt site.
Doesn't look all that hard using GM parts and fully programmable control
box. I believe it could be put together quite reasonably using Ebay or
JY parts. For that matter, you can probably buy them reconditioned/new
at Kragen's/Autozone/Advance Auto easily and within budget as well.
I'm also interested in MegaSquirt, but it will be later in the
year. I'll be running it on a 258. I know that port injection is
"better" but it sure seems like TBI gets you 90% of the benefits
with half the cost and comoplexity.
Plus cooincidentally I have the 68HC11 development kit that the
thing uses, and I've done a loooot of assembly language work in
the past, so I'm sure I'll hack at it eventually.
is LPG that much
cheaper to run? Is there anyone running it on a converted vehicle
that can answer that?
Most dual-fuel setups are LP mixers that bolt on top of the carb
in place of the air cleaner. With a solenoid you run the carb dry
of gasoline, then switch on the LP. It's inefficient as hell.
You're far better off doing single-fuel.
I've run LPG on my 232 for 17 years now. No complaints. I pay
$2.50 or so at the BBQ tank fillers at the local gas station, but
$1.65 at Mutual Propane, a big regional dealer. They now have a
card-lock system so as soon as I get my card I can buy LP 24/7.
As a rule of thumb, you'll get 10% less MPG on LP vs gasoline.
Reason: BTUs energy per unit volume.
If you put it in the wagon you can get a fairly larg tank in there by
reworking >the trunk floor to use the storage area. It does have a
storage area?
I sacrificed my station wagon storage box to fit a 35 gallon
"water capacity" tank (28 gal fuel capacity). Tank, from
Manchester, cost $600 new. Ouch. Everything else in an LP system
is cheap though.
Anyone got a complete 304? I have a 360 I'd trade. It would be
hard for me to sneak in another engine past Mama, but if one left,
and one took it's place, well, that's different!
But but... the 360 weighs the same as the 304, right? Same
frictional losses? Same (or close) rotating mass? Why not just
grossly undertune it w/tiny carb, keep revs low and use the
torque?
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From: <badass73gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: We laugh; we cry
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 2:09:40 -0400
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From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2005/05/06 Fri AM 01:12:35 EDT
To: "amc" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: We laugh; we cry
A: What I read is that John is bemoaning the fact that the AMC hobby is
fracturing ever wider rather than pulling together to a single source of
info.
But what i saw was John jabbing a couple of rowdy AMCers and of course
singling myself out becuase of course unlike John i don't know about a
1923 Nash's special pull out ashtray rather than drop down or some other
high and mighty piece of car or famous person trivia or maybe i'm just a
onry confused asshole buut i digress
Bart
From: <badass73gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: We laugh; we cry
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:11:39 -0400
Message-Id:
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From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2005/05/05 Thu PM 06:59:55 EDT
To: "'mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx'" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: We laugh; we cry
There also is another one starting and this is at <http://amcforums.com>.
<<
Oh, goody, just what every Greased Gremlin, Spudster and "Chasis [sic]
electrical" fan needs. In the tone of your late Friend Chandler Bing,
"Can
American Motors -BE- more fragmented than it already was?"
http://www.amcforums.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=chasis
John,if you have a problem with me or others that you've mentioned from
that
forum,do it off of here,yes you may have king shit status in this joint
but
that don't mean you can be a smart ass either!!
Bart
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From: <badass73gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Critique of the Critic
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 2:11:34 -0400
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From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2005/05/05 Thu PM 11:01:09 EDT
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Critique of the Critic
From: <badass73gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Dead AMC Forums
Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 23:06:48 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2005/05/05 Thu PM 08:29:04 EDT
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Dead AMC Forums
First off Brien,you have no right to 'critique'the AMC Forums since
you didn't bother to figure out what went on.second,Greybeards forum
was a good one but everyone went to the AMCforum.com one as it
mirrored Frans old one and the ezboard one no one went to becuase no
one advertised it and also since Frans forum used to be on ez boards
no one like thier servise as it had popo ups ect.also Greybeard turned
his forum into a racer forum as he drag races alot in his neck of the
woods so your typically idiotic comment wasn't called for!I seen your
now a member of www.amcforums.com and i'm sure along with your
easy as
pie turdblow mod recipes,you'll make that place oh so fun to go on.
Bart
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Gee Bart , didn't know you cared ;)
...... wait a minute, ........ damn zipper !
Brien.
NEW YORK
eagle registry #501
eagle kammback registry
Blah blah blah ya fart in the wind!!!
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Message-ID: <39004.66.121.73.254.1115362833.squirrel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 00:00:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: RE:Matt/Jay/power steering discussion
From: stover@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Yup, and the more I contemplate the power update for myAMX and as gas
prices seatdily rise the more I think about incorporating modern
developments into my ride...
Steve
So, if power assist is the name of the game then big pulley- small swept
volume would be the best combo for reducing parasitic loss. Yes?
I suspect that if you simply under-drive the pump, at low enough
pump speed the power steering could get "jerky", the assist might
vary with engine speed, that would become Very Annoying.
Truly variable assist you could probably do with an electric motor
driving the pump instead of the crankshaft, which when you think
about it is a 1920 buggy whip way to do it.
You can argue that say water pumps, at higher revs you want more
cooling, but power steering and A/C it's silly to belt-drive them.
Oil ought to be electric drive, I think reliability and cost is
the reason it's stayed mechanical (two stone-stupid gears).
I often fantasize about making a motor where the front of the
crank (balancer end) is nothing but a multi-KW alternator/starter
motor and everything (oil, water pumps, valve actuation) is
electric, with electric-drive servo steering. This last is
happening now, and electric water and oil is used on various race
cars.
Make that alternator a big enough motor with a funny coupling and
you'd have a hybrid.
End of digest for 6 May 2005, hour 0:00
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