Re: power steering pump replacement

[Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>]

On Sun, 1 May 2005, Jay wrote:

> Your pump has a totally diferent mount than mine. It does have a support on 
> the backside of the reservoir. Mine does not. My bracket goes from left to 
> right ,yours is mounted along the block front to rear. Maybe I need to get a 
> bracket and pump from a later Hornet also.

The early (72) P.S. pump on the sixes sits on a funny bracket on
the passenger side. It bolts to the pump body, with the resevoir
sitting on the top.  Works totally fine.

The 1983 258 P.S. pump, well you'd think it was some buckin'
bronco the way it's bolted down (on the drivers side). About six
puzzle pieces have it bolted to the block, intake manifold, water
pump, and head via a cast aluminum bracket.

The new stuff won't fit on the old motor, and vice versa.  The old
pump *almost* fits the new brackets, 'cept the mounting stud is
too short and the return line hose fitting angle interferes.  The
pulley lines up with the crank accessory pulley.

I have all this junk laying around, and tried all the combos.

In my experience, the old pump mount system is just fine, thank
you, doesn't leap out of the car.

It might be increased customer demands for car "feel" leading to
all the extra brackets to minimize resonant vibrations.  Either
that, or a conspiracy from the Bracket Department at AMC.



> Jay
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Haas" <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: power steering pump replacement
>
>
> > Jay,
> >
> > I don't have a stabilizer bar on mine either. My setup came from a 74 
> > Hornet. I have a big aluminium bracket on top and a U channel on the bottom 
> > going to another bracket on the block (you can see how mine's installed at 
> > http://www.mattsoldcars.com/RestoreAmerican/images/lines_pass_side.jpg). I 
> > just took a quick look in the my 1968 TSM and it didn't show the pump 
> > brackets for a six cylinder. I also didn't see an end-play spec in it or 
> > the manual for my El Camino.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > At 05:54 PM 5/1/2005 -0400, you wrote:
> > > Matt,  I noticed in the TSM it shows a stabilizer bracket on the back of 
> > > the resevoir, Mine is missing (maybe because this PS unit was added to the 
> > > car by the prior owner. The car never came with PS from the factory.)  I 
> > > have looked to see where the bracket woould mount to the block but it 
> > > would have to be offset, nit straight like is show in the TSM.  There is 
> > > no mention of the end play tolerance on the pulley shaft.
> > >
> > > Jay
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Haas" <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:51 PM
> > > Subject: Re: power steering pump replacement
> > >
> > >
> > > > Nope. The pumps are about $50, rebuilt gears about $150, and $25 is about 
> > > > what both hoses run. BTW, 1/16th of an inch end play is still a lot. Mine 
> > > > has no noticeable end-play (I'm sure there's some, TSM may list it) as 
> > > > installed on the car with the belt on it.
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > > At 06:36 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > > Is tghat a typo error, the $225.????
> > > > >
> > > > > Jay
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Haas" <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:42 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: power steering pump replacement
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Anytime I can spread a little more sunshine, let me know! On the 
> > > > > > slightly brighter side, a rebuilt pump, gear, and new hoses (you may 
> > > > > > want to replace the rag joint at the same time-- get the GM one from 
> > > > > > the Help section) is only about $225 (maybe less) and you'll end up 
> > > > > > with a much nicer steering car. You could also swap in a quick ratio 
> > > > > > box "while you're at it" for not much more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 05:57 PM 4/27/2005 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > > > > YOu are so full of GOOD NEWS  Matt!   LOL.
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Haas" <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:48 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: power steering pump replacement
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jay,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you have a 1/4 inch end play in the pump, it's toast. A rebuild 
> > > > > > > > kit isn't going to have all the parts you need (they basically have 
> > > > > > > > new seals and a shaft bushing). Rebuilt pumps are pretty inexpensive 
> > > > > > > > (I think I paid less than $50 for mine). Your steering gear is 
> > > > > > > > probably full of trash now as well and should be rebuilt or replaced 
> > > > > > > > at the same time (it doesn't look like a difficult job to rebuild one 
> > > > > > > > but you need a few special tools). It would probably also be a good 
> > > > > > > > idea to replace the hoses to make sure they're not full of trash as 
> > > > > > > > well.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Matt
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At 10:13 PM 4/25/2005 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > rebuild the steering gear?  I can move the pulley and the shaft it 
> > > > > > > > > is mounted on about a 1/4 inch backward and forward. Is that normal?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jay
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Haas" <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:29 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: power steering pump replacement
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jay,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Rebuild kits for the Saginaw pumps are inexpensive (about $10) and 
> > > > > > > > > > easy to install. A rattle may be from sticking rotor vanes or it's 
> > > > > > > > > > possible that some other trash is in it (in which case you should 
> > > > > > > > > > replace or rebuild the steering gear). Also, rebuilt pumps are 
> > > > > > > > > > pretty easy to find and are likely to be in stock at better parts 
> > > > > > > > > > places. There are two different reservoirs that were used while AMC 
> > > > > > > > > > was around but the pumps are identical otherwise. The only real 
> > > > > > > > > > issue you need to watch out for is that the pulley attachment 
> > > > > > > > > > method is the same. The early style uses a bolt on pulley and the 
> > > > > > > > > > later style uses a press on pulley (you need a special tool to 
> > > > > > > > > > remove and install these).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Matt
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > At 05:50 PM 4/25/2005 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hey Guys,  I have a PS pump that has a rattle in it at one speed 
> > > > > > > > > > > (30 mph in high gear) and it is annoying, but I am concerned that 
> > > > > > > > > > > it will fail just at the most inopportune minute.  Has anyone got 
> > > > > > > > > > > replacement parts kits for these pumps. I guess there is more than 
> > > > > > > > > > > one brand of pump. Where do I look to find out the manufacturer 
> > > > > > > > > > > and model on the pump?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Jay
> > > >
> > > > mhaas@xxxxxxx
> > > > Cincinnati, OH
> > > > http://www.mattsoldcars.com
> > > > 1967 Rambler American wagon
> > > > 1968 Rambler American sedan
> > > > ===============================================================
> > > > According to a February survey of Internet holdouts released by
> > > > UCLA's Center for Communication Policy, people cite
> > > > not having a computer as the No. 1 reason they won't go online.
> >
> > mhaas@xxxxxxx
> > Cincinnati, OH
> > http://www.mattsoldcars.com
> > 1967 Rambler American wagon
> > 1968 Rambler American sedan
> > ===============================================================
> > According to a February survey of Internet holdouts released by
> > UCLA's Center for Communication Policy, people cite
> > not having a computer as the No. 1 reason they won't go online.

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