Re: ADMIN: List changes coming

[Jock J Jocewicz <namdra@xxxxxxxx>]

Tom,
  There is nothing wrong with some ones desire to run for any club office
and you can be right (depending who the person is) that is there is
anything wrong with a  "little fresh" in any AMC club management. Namdra
and AMO has had plenty of different officers and board members over the
years and some have been very good for the clubs and some haven't. As far
as Frank Swygert goes, I just am giving my honest opinions when it comes
to him just as others have given him a thumbs up. And that shouldn't be
held against me as they are my feelings, mainly because I do have a lot
of experience in the AMC hobby and have learned a lot of negative things
about Frank, but I am going to say no more about it at the time. I and a
bunch of others (just like Frank and his click) are putting together a
paper on Frank with proven facts that we will forward to any interested
parties when we are done.
  As far as Randy Guynn goes, yes I feel he should be given another
chance and see how it goes (maybe the list could use the 3-strikeout
rule!) and the reason I feel this way is because I feel Randy has really
helped the AMC hobby by being an AMC vendor and the help he has given
people over the years. Yes, if he is allowed back on the list he should
really, and I mean really, tone down his posts. We as AMC'ers need all
the help we can get and this includes all the clubs, lists, forums, etc. 
But when it comes to Frank, I just feel he is trying to take over the AMC
hobby and that just won't work, just too much for one person.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:33:27 -0500 TABunsey@xxxxxxx writes:
> On February 28, 2005 Jock J Jocewicz wrote:
> 
> > Colin,
> >   I am not going to argue for Randy to stay on the list but I 
> think he
> > should be given one more chance and in that chance let him know to 
> keep
> > his posts civil and about AMC's, not some of the other stuff he 
> has
> > posted.
> > 
> >   And as far as letting Frank Swygert taking over the list, I am
> > definitely against this. Why? First because he is the publisher of 
> AIM
> > (American Independent Magazine) and as such can in no way, shape 
> or form
> > be truly independent in running this list, which should be most
> > important. He also has stated he would like to become the 
> president of
> > two AMC (AMO & AMCRC) clubs or at least, an officer in them, and 
> again,
> > like I said he could not remain independent in running the list. 
> It would
> > be just too easy for him to run people off the list that might 
> seem to
> > him to be detrimental to his magazine, AMO or AMCRC.
> > 
> >   As the long time president and editor of an international AMC 
> car club,
> > I myself should not be the one in charge of an AMC orientated list 
> or
> > should I be one of those chosen to be on the board of list 
> supervisors go
> > can kick people off the list. And neither should Frank Swygert. I 
> truly
> > believe that who ever runs the list and is on the board should be 
> truly
> > independent and unbiased.
> > 
> 
> Jock:
> 
> Isn't it interesting that you support Randy (who has a long, 
> documented history of abusive language & just plain un-civil 
> behavior) getting a THIRD chance to stay on the list, but at the 
> same time you are not willing to give Frank ONE chance (as part of a 
> team, NOT individually) to moderate the list?
> 
> And Frank is not any officer of AMO or AMCRC yet (and the deadline 
> for submitting resumes for Board seats is long past for this year), 
> so he can't effectively run for an AMO office until NEXT year. And 
> desire for an officer position is not the same as actually having any 
> such position, anyway.
> 
> And don't you seem to have a terribly negative opinion of Frank's 
> character, to imply that he would use his position as moderator to 
> evict list members who "...might seem to be detrimental to his 
> magazine, AMO or AMCRC?"  And wouldn't you think that any such 
> behavior would generate such negative publicity to be a really bad 
> idea? And what kind of people would "...be detrimental to his 
> magazine, AMO or AMCRC" snyway? Particularly as Frank doesn't seem 
> to have exibited any such charaistics in the past?
> 
> And what's "Wrong" with someone's stated desire to run for (any) 
> club office, anyway?
> Is there anything wrong with a little "fresh blood" in any AMC club 
> management?
> 
> Tom Bunsey
> >
> 
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