Re: Another voice has been silenced

[farna@xxxxxxx]

My only concern is for the well-being of the hobby as a whole and the list in general. No, I was not instrumental in getting Randy banned from the list -- he was. I did voice my concerns about the damage he was doing by being allowed to remain on the list. If my voice were the only one, he'd likely still be here. I may have been mistaken about when he came over to the list, time is often altered by memory. The tone of my posts has much to do with my frustrations about trying to get him to keep his posts to an acceptable level of civility (not to me, per se, but to the general list population), and the fact that my patience has run out. I wouldn't voice anything if not for many people e-mailing me and telling me they are leaving the list, or asking questions and stating they are afraid to post on the list. 

Since this has nothing to do with AMCs, I won't post more on this subject. I only replied because it is more or less lit business. I just want to see a better list is all. Please direct any further discussion to my personal e-mail unles it's of a general list nature. If you're addressing me personally and not the general population that's where it logically should be. 


On February 26, 2005 Jock J Jocewicz wrote:

> Frank,
>   You sometimes sound like you are the person running this list. Are you
> the one who was instrumental in getting Randy Guynn, owner of the legal
> Performance American Style AMC business that has helped so many AMC'ers
> over the years?  And can you prove that there were many more active list
> members until Randy came along. Hey, maybe the membership of the list
> dropped because of the existence of the AMC FORUM, to which you also
> belong. You also said that Randy was banned from the AMC FORUM 2-3 years
> ago and that is when he came over to the list. B.S., Randy was on the
> list longer than that because I remember going round and round with him
> on the list about his NAMDRA membership. You also state that  Randy
> should of stated his viewpoint in a polite, civil manner. Since when are
> you the sergeant-at-arms for the list? You seem to be trying to be the
> AMC God for the AMC hobby but should I try and get you banned from the
> list? NO! And I don't believe Randy should be banned just because he
> sometimes states things in a somewhat crude manner and not to the liking
> of all
> 
> Remember, you can hit the delete key!!!!!!
> 
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:35:47 +0000 farna@xxxxxxx writes:
> > I don't know who you are, but I've been on the AMC List since its
> > inception. It came down to a choice of banning one member or losing
> > many, including running newcomers off. That's the bottom line.
> >
> > There were many more active list members until Randy came along. At
> > one point about a year ago he all but shut the list down because of
> > inflammatory personal attacks in public. I've known Randy for a few
> > years, and have talked to him on the phone and in person. I agree,
> > we have lost some experience and expertise without him. When he
> > posts about engine related items he's great. But he cannot control
> > his temperament. It has simply come down to the point that the long
> > time listers are tired of dealing with the attitude. He has driven
> > away MANY people, long timers and newcomers. I can't tell you how
> > many e-mails I've received over the last few years from people
> > asking questions that would have been better answered on the list.
> > They didn't post for fear of being jumped on. The "flame wars" that
> > Randy has started gives the list in particular, and the AMC hobby in
> > general, a bad reputation for people not being able to get along,
> > and jumping to conclusions. 90% of those wars were sta!
> >  rted by Randy, intentionally or not. He has walked over to many
> > people's basic right to be treated in a civil manner, disagree or
> > not.
> >
> > It's not a matter of Randy's point of view. I don't care about that,
> > neither do the other long termers. He could have stated his
> > viewpoint in a polite, civil manner, at any time. No one would have
> > complained, disagree or not. Personal attacks in public and stating
> > your view in a way designed specifically to offend is not tolerated
> > on ANY on-line groups that I know of.
> >
> > It's not Randy's point of view that got him kicked off the list,
> > it's his acerbic way of presenting it. Did you know that he was
> > banned from the AMC Forum 2-3 years ago? That's when he came over to
> > the AMC List. We've tolerated this long enough. I have attempted to
> > convey to him that if he could calm down a bit there wouldn't be any
> > problems, and several others have as well. How much pleading should
> > we do (with only temporary results, at best) before enough is
> > enough? There has been more than enough.
> >
> > Now, can we go on with talking about AMCs and drop this? It wasn't a
> > crusade against Randy nor an attempt to make anyone feel they can't
> > express a different point of view. Express, just be a little
> > courteous and respectful of others, especially when their views are
> > different than ours.
> >
> > ---
> > Frank Swygert
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> >
> 
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