Re: [AMC-list] AMC-list Digest, Vol 49, Issue 9

[Douglas Patton <dougs914@xxxxxxxxx>]

i have a 76 matador coupe with 1128xx asking 3000.00 no rust good car in
joplin mo. any byes dougs914@xxxxxxxxx

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>    4. Re: AMC value? (Dan Busenbarrick)
>    5. Re: AMC value? (Joe Fulton)
>    6. Re: Wheel Question... (Jim Blair)
>    7. Re: AMC value? (Dan Busenbarrick)
>    8. AMC values? (C The)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 17:06:09 -0400
> From: Marc Montoni <Freedom@xxxxxxxx>
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] AMC values?
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> MHD wrote:
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> >>I have found out its sort of disappointing. I invested 5yrs and almost
> >>$30,000 into restoring a 390 4spd AMX the NADA said $35,000 high end
> >>and $28,000 low end. I drove it for 2 summer's trying to sell it and
> >>finally had to give it away yesterday for just over $18,000!
> >>
> >>That makes the 5th American Motors product I have restored here at JSM
> >>auto, I am convinced it will be the last ones too. 3 AMX's, 2
> >>Rambler's, and 1 Eagle coupe all 5 were money losers.
> >>
> >>They were cheap to buy, Took the most money to restore, and were the
> >>hardest thing to ever sell. So I have done my part I saved 5 but NO more.
> >>
> >>AMC's are worthless value wise!
>
>
> NADA prices come from dealers and auctions.  Older cars that sell through
> dealers, are primarily to customers who are either older and are funded by
> equity lines (which have dried up a lot since NADA has updated its database
> of prices), or to customers who are trust fund babies.
>
> NADA has never represented the real world.  Anyone who looks in there for
> values is looking for trouble.
>
> The only way to see realistic prices is to start looking through ebay
> "completed listings".  You will see *most* of them are no-sales.  This is
> primarily because sellers see those inflated NADA prices and think they
> have a gold mine in the rusted-ass pile of crap behind the shed.
>
> I have seen several instances of a particular car being repeatedly listed
> on ebay, with the reserve being reduced each time until the car sells for a
> reasonable amount of money.  They *always* start with a pie-in-the-sky
> price.  A year or two later, they finally face reality and ask a legitimate
> price.
>
> One *can* get an idea of values based on reality: by asking the hobbyists
> who have been driving the cars for twenty years and who aren't in it to
> make money.
>
> 95% of the iron out there is not a money-making proposition.  It's all
> brands, not just AMC.  I have a neighbor who has about $60k into a Corvette
> that is worth half that.  He isn't get into it to make money -- he drives
> it to work every day and it makes him happy.
>
> This is why I make fun of these guys who think their clapped-out, rusted,
> busted sedan is worth $2500 when it's really just worth maybe $400.
>
> http://www.amcyclopedia.org/node/6680
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> Sorry if your experience with AMC resto was negative.  I restore my cars
> to drive, rather than re-sell.
>
> Best wishes.
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 17:10:34 -0400
> From: Marc Montoni <Freedom@xxxxxxxx>
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [AMC-list] 2014 AMC Ambassador
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> This is pretty cool.  How about a 2014 car to the tune of the 70-73
> Ambassador hardtop:
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> http://artandcolourcars.blogspot.com/2013/03/2014-amc-ambassador-eight-coupe-its-back.html
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> -- Marc
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:35:09 +0000
> From: amcngmc@xxxxxxxxx
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> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] AMC value?
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> The funny part is I thought the Eagle would be the money loser. Turns out
> the AMC was the one that turned a profit and it I didn't have to try.
>
> Bought re-geared it and it sold quick and sold high too.
>
> It was the Eagle SX/4 AMC-V8, T5 5spd you all helped me re-gear to 3.54's
> and I swapped speedo gears and it read spot on.
>
> Thanks for that help
> MHD
> Sent from my BlackBerry? by Boost Mobile
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 16:41:39 -0500
> From: Dan Busenbarrick <danbusenbarrick@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: amcngmc@xxxxxxxxx,  "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family"
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> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] AMC value?
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> Would you all care to weigh in on what an ok price for a fair, running, 70
> Hornet SST 232 would be?  I'm going to sell my red Hornet this year.  I
> don't care about making money on it; I got it for a song.  I just want it
> to have a loving home and not get ripped off in the process.
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
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> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM, <amcngmc@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > The funny part is I thought the Eagle would be the money loser. Turns out
> > the AMC was the one that turned a profit and it I didn't have to try.
> >
> > Bought re-geared it and it sold quick and sold high too.
> >
> > It was the Eagle SX/4 AMC-V8, T5 5spd you all helped me re-gear to 3.54's
> > and I swapped speedo gears and it read spot on.
> >
> > Thanks for that help
> > MHD
> > Sent from my BlackBerry? by Boost Mobile
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> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 15:35:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Joe Fulton <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Rambler Nash Jeep and familyAMC <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> If my fair you mean no rust and it is safe and drivable, maybe $2000.
>  Needing paint and with tired upholstery and smoking a little:  $500.
>
> Joe
>
> --- On Tue, 4/9/13, Dan Busenbarrick <danbusenbarrick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > From: Dan Busenbarrick <danbusenbarrick@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: [AMC-list] AMC value?
> > To: amcngmc@xxxxxxxxx, "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <
> amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2013, 2:41 PM
> > Would you all care to weigh in on
> > what an ok price for a fair, running, 70
> > Hornet SST 232 would be?? I'm going to sell my red
> > Hornet this year.? I
> > don't care about making money on it; I got it for a
> > song.? I just want it
> > to have a loving home and not get ripped off in the
> > process.
> >
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM, <amcngmc@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The funny part is I thought the Eagle would be the
> > money loser. Turns out
> > > the AMC was the one that turned a profit and it I
> > didn't have to try.
> > >
> > > Bought re-geared it and it sold quick and sold high
> > too.
> > >
> > > It was the Eagle SX/4 AMC-V8, T5 5spd you all helped me
> > re-gear to 3.54's
> > > and I swapped speedo gears and it read spot on.
> > >
> > > Thanks for that help
> > > MHD
> > > Sent from my BlackBerry? by Boost Mobile
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> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 15:47:55 -0700
> From: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Wheel Question...
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> When I converted my Spirit to an Eagle I test fit them. They hit the
> tierods and something else. 2" wheel spacers would've worked (they were
> okay in the rear but really close to the springs)
>
> Jim Blair
>
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Wheel Question...
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> " From: Marc Montoni <Freedom@xxxxxxxx>
> "
> "
> " Question: Do Wranglers have the same bolt circle as our AMC cars?
> "
> " These look kinda nice, and if they're 15"ers I may try to grab them:
> "
> " http://images.craigslist.org/3Ea3K63Fb5Lb5Id5Mad4201c5eb7bd5d71a18.jpg
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> mj [comanche], tj ['97-'06 wrangler], xj [cherokee], yj ['87-'95
> wrangler], and zj ['93-8 grand cherokee] all have 5x4.5", but deep
> offset like eagles, and they'll swap - with eagles.  i don't think
> they'll fit other amcs.
>
> they're probably 15x7; most wheels for these jeeps are, but they
> include 15x6 [= eagle wheels], 15x8, 16x7, and 16x8.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 17:55:49 -0500
> From: Dan Busenbarrick <danbusenbarrick@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] AMC value?
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> Sounds reasonable.  Has a small amount of rust.  Needs paint.  Runs
> smoothly.  So somewhere in between those two price tags, probably.
>
> Thanks for the info,
>
>
> Dan
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Joe Fulton <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > If my fair you mean no rust and it is safe and drivable, maybe $2000.
> >  Needing paint and with tired upholstery and smoking a little:  $500.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > --- On Tue, 4/9/13, Dan Busenbarrick <danbusenbarrick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Dan Busenbarrick <danbusenbarrick@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: Re: [AMC-list] AMC value?
> > > To: amcngmc@xxxxxxxxx, "AMC, Rambler, Nash, Jeep and family" <
> > amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2013, 2:41 PM
> > > Would you all care to weigh in on
> > > what an ok price for a fair, running, 70
> > > Hornet SST 232 would be?  I'm going to sell my red
> > > Hornet this year.  I
> > > don't care about making money on it; I got it for a
> > > song.  I just want it
> > > to have a loving home and not get ripped off in the
> > > process.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM, <amcngmc@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The funny part is I thought the Eagle would be the
> > > money loser. Turns out
> > > > the AMC was the one that turned a profit and it I
> > > didn't have to try.
> > > >
> > > > Bought re-geared it and it sold quick and sold high
> > > too.
> > > >
> > > > It was the Eagle SX/4 AMC-V8, T5 5spd you all helped me
> > > re-gear to 3.54's
> > > > and I swapped speedo gears and it read spot on.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for that help
> > > > MHD
> > > > Sent from my BlackBerry? by Boost Mobile
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> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 15:58:17 -0700 (PDT)
> From: C The <kwtheaker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Bummer on your sales, or lack of. ?Here'sa few samples from the Mecum
> auctions lately.every so often an AMC shows up! ? ?-carl?
>
> Houston ?4/2013
> ----------------------------------
> Lot S71
> 1970 AMC AMX
> 390/325 HP, 4-Speed
>
> Sold Price: $67,000----------------------------
> Lot T233
> 1964 AMC Rambler 550
> 502 CI, Nitrous System
>
> Sold Price: $9,500
> -----------------Lot T162
> 1964 AMC Rambler American
> 196 CI, Twin Stick Overdrive
>
> Sold Price: $6,750
>
> -------------------
> Kissimmee, FL 1/2013
> Lot F74.1
> 1968 AMC AMX
>
> High Bid: $30,000 ? NOT SOLD
> ------------------------
> Lot W345
> 1968 AMC AMX
> 390 CI, 4-Speed
>
> Sold Price: $23,500
> -------------------
>
> Lot T95
> 1968 AMC AMX
> 390/315 HP, Rare Color Combo
>
> Sold Price: $26,000
>
> ------------------------
> Lot F307
> 1968 AMC AMX
> 390 CI, 4-Speed
>
> Sold Price: $17,000
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> Lot J41
> 1970 AMC Javelin SST
> Mark Donohue Edition
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> Sold Price: $11,500
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