Re: [AMC-list] Thinking 'bout transmissions

[adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)]

" From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
" 
" The T-14 will work with a column shifter.
" 
" T-14 was used behind the 232. For sure not behind a 196 and I think 
" 199's got the T-96. Yes, a T-96 will live behind a 232 but you will not 
" get super long service life out of them as they are very light duty 
" transmissions. If you're just planning to cruise around, the T-96 will 
" work as long as you don't try to use it like a performance transmission.

if you drive your car a lot in stop-and-go, you'll love the t14 -
synchro 1st!

i column-shifted my t14, though it was originally a floor-shift setup.
i had problems with the pre-saginaw columns on my '66 americans but
the saginaw on my '68 was much better.  had to adjust one of the
shifter rods since the levers are farther apart than on the t96 but
that was all.

the t14 was the base tranny '72-4 or so.  many would've been column
shifted originally.

since the t14 didn't exist before '68, '66-7 232s got the t96.  iirc
when it appeared in the '65 american, the 232 was auto-only.

i don't know what trannies the 232 came with in big cars '64-7 but i
vaguely recall seeing a '67 marlin for sale from az that had a 232,
t86, and o/d.  sure wish i had that car...

update: just checked my '67 10-50-80 tsm - trannies aren't named, but
pics for the 232 one match a t96; for the 290, a t86, and the hd sec
says this was available with the 232.

" On 6/19/2012 2:49 PM, BruceG spouted this sage advice:
" > While we are on the subject of T14's and T96's:
" > Is the T14 a floor shift only, or could I keep my T96 column shift and 
" > make it work with the T14?
" > Was the T96 available behind the 232? Or only the 196 and the 199?
" > I know Frank's stroked 4.0 toasted a T96 in a couple of weeks. Would a 
" > T96 survive behind a 2 barrel 232 that was easily driven?

this would've been the base setup in a '67 marlin.

" > I'm trying to decide between going with a T14 out of a Gremlin and 
" > taking the floorshift with it, or hoping the T14 could be column 
" > shifted (I really like my column shifter), or getting my T96 rebuilt 
" > (which could get costly, and I'd hate to do it twice).
" >
" > I'm thinking the T5 route might not be the way for me to go. I kind of 
" > have a spouse fix it or lose it deadline that limits options.

the t5 would definitely be a job, but i mentioned it because it looks
possible, and you did mention performance.

" > On 06/18/2012 05:12 PM, Frank Swygert wrote:
" >> There's a shop in Greenville, SC, that can sort through the trans, 
" >> but it might be pricey depending on what all it needs. It's not going 
" >> to like being played with a lot either.
" >>
" >> Other's have already told you the late 60s T-14 three speed is your 
" >> best choice of manual that will bolt right up. There is a company in 
" >> CA that makes adapters for Falcons to mount a T-5. They have told me 
" >> they will look into making one if I'll send them a bell housing and 
" >> some engine measurements. The adapter would be about $200 plus 
" >> shipping. Might be the way to go though. If you want to pursue this 
" >> send me an e-mail and I'll initiate talks with the guy again. It 
" >> might take a 2-3 months to get one though. I don't really want to 
" >> send a bell and get him to make one until someone commits to buying 
" >> one from them.
" >>
" >> You could go with the M-35 auto. Most won't consider it much of an 
" >> upgrade, but it will take a lot more abuse than the T-96. Tom J. has 
" >> put his through a lot -- towing in the desert -- and not had any real 
" >> problems with it. The main thing is making sure the TV cable is good 
" >> and free in the 63-66 models. 67+ models (M-36 and 37) don't have the 
" >> TV cable (vacuum modulator) and have provisions for liquid cooling. 
" >> One of those would be fantastic!
" >>
" >> Clifford products are expensive. The first thing I'd do to hop up a 
" >> 232 is ditch the head and put a 4.0L head on it. Pre 97 models have a 
" >> nice cast aluminum valve cover, and the 91-99 factory header is good 
" >> too. The stamped steel 97-99 valve cover is much nicer than the 
" >> original 232, and the 97-99 heads are a bit better flowing. Junkyard 
" >> prices -- you can get the three pieces for a lot less than the 
" >> Clifford parts AND have a better flowing head to boot. The only 
" >> caveat to this is you need to figure out what length pushrods are 
" >> needed for the 64-70 "short deck" 199/232. No one has done this yet. 
" >> I'd try the 4.0L pushrods and see how they fit, and the original 232 
" >> pushrods. The originals are likely solid and you need hollow 
" >> pushrods, but you can check for fit and even run a few seconds with 
" >> no problem (but not more than 40-60 seconds!!). If neither of those 
" >> fit right you will need to buy a "checking" adjustable pushrod from 
" >> someone like Comp Cams and set one cylinder up right, measure the 
" >> pushrod (and send it back set right) and order the right length. If 
" >> you do that let me know what length worked! Check the lifters also. 
" >> They should have an oil hole in the pushrod seat (top), but may not. 
" >> Lifters are relatively cheap, but I'd replace the cam anyway if the 
" >> head was off. An Isky Supercam will really wake up a stock AMC six!! 
" >> Regardless of what you do for intake and exhaust, you REALLY need to 
" >> upgrade the cam. That will make more power for the least effort even 
" >> if all other parts are stock -- but will be best with improved intake 
" >> and exhaust to really let it reach its potential.
" >>
" >> --------------
" >> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:18:40 -0400
" >> From: BruceG<bruce.griffis@xxxxxxxxx>
" >> To:amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
" >>
" >> I need to find a transmission shop to sort through the T96.
" >>
" >> But while I'm thinking about it - the 232 is in the Rambler. There seems
" >> to be plenty of headroom to go with the Weber carb. I might want to play
" >> a little with the engine if I can find Clifford parts at a decent price.
" >> (that Clifford intake, header, Holley carb and Clifford valve cover in
" >> Nashville seemed awesome! But a bit of a drive. But awesome!) What would
" >> be some good alternatives for a manual transmission that should bolt to
" >> a '68 232? Or if I were to take the car to a good shop that works with
" >> AMCs - trying to decide if I should rebuild the T96, or go with
" >> something a little sturdier.
" >>
" >> I know there aren't a lot of Falcon, Chevy II, Valiant or Dart sedans
" >> out there - but I'd like to pretend my Rambler could hold it's own with
" >> them.
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