" From: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> " " " OK, I guess I may have been wrong on the takeover date, but the 258 came in '71 didn't it? spot on; that year amc raised the deck and the 199/232 became the 232/258, still with small bell. jeep was forever ignoring model years and doing changes whenever they felt like it. i guess with the termination of hummer, the s. bend stude truck plant is gone? the military had already moved on from the very-long-running 2.5t and 5t trucks. or is there still sufficient military business supporting the hmmwv? " Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 21:25:18 -0800 " From: fullsizejeeps@xxxxxxxxx " To: carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx " Subject: AMC acquired Jeep in 1970. " " they took over in 1970. There appears to be some minor " discrepancies in the record... some cite January, others February... " :) " Maybe someone can research the corporate records with the SEC if " you'd like and confirm which month in 1970 this actually happened. " " I only opened two of my books... have more than a dozen that would " confirm this, and likely a sales brochure as well... :) " and remember also I was watching TV commercials and getting ready to " drive when all this was happening... " " " p.464 - Std Catalog of 4x4s - "American Motors acquired the Kaiser " Jeep assets in January, 1970." " " p. 272 - Std Catalog of American Motors - "American Motors purchased " Jeep, from Kaiser Industries, in February 1970." " " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Motors - American " Motors (AMC) purchased Kaiser's Jeep operations in 1970 " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Motors - "The company changed " its name to Kaiser Jeep in 1963. By 1969, Kaiser " Industries decided to leave the auto business, which was sold to " American Motors in 1970. As part of the transaction, Kaiser " acquired a 22% interest in AMC, which it later divested. Included " in the sale was the General Products Division, which Kaiser had " purchased from Studebaker in 1964 as it prepared to leave the auto " business itself. AMC renamed the division AM General, which still " operates today, and is best known as the manufacturer of the " original High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle ((or Humvee), " later called the Hummer H1." " " " http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty-history.html " http://www.best-jeep-guide.com/history-of-jeeps.html " " " http://www.facebook.com/pages/American-Motors-Corporation/108155832550365 " " " On 11/12/2010 8:48 PM, Jim Blair wrote: " " Introduced for the '71 model year (when AMC officially took over) " " > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:51:04 -0800 " > From: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx " > Subject: RE: fsj: Patch panels and Buick 350's " > " > got it straight out of the book... the issue is it was " introduced mid-year, that's why " > you are wrong, or think I'm wrong... because we're both kind " of right... remember, it's a jeep thing, " > you won't understand. :) " > " > " > " > " ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they " mold " > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 si vis pacem, para " bellum " > http://johnmeister.com http://wagoneers.com " http://fotomeister.us " > " ------------------------------------------------------------------------ " > " > " > On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, Jim Blair wrote: " > " > # " > # You're off a little bit there. 258 didn't come along till " '71 and that year only it came with the small bell pattern of the " 199 and earlier 232. In '72 it matched the AMC V8 (and later 4.0L) " > # " > # > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:58:20 -0800 " > # > From: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx " > # > To: wallacem7@xxxxxxx " > # > CC: fsj-digest@xxxxxxxxxx " > # > Subject: Re: fsj: Patch panels and Buick 350's " > # > " > # > 1970 was an interesting year.. AMC acquired Jeep from " Kaiser... that year " > # > you could get a 232, or a 258(which was the standard " engine), a 304 or a " > # > 360, and from what I have read, you could still get " the Dauntless Buick 350 " > # > V-8 in the 1414X Wagoneer, with "Limited Quality" or " something like that... " > # > " > # > so it's possible that a 350 could be found in a '71... " but knowing how " > # > jeeps and jeep owners are, anything is possible... :) " > # > " > # > concerning the 390, sounds like it jumped timing... " didn't realize " > # > those were interference motors... unless someone put " the wrong push " > # > rods in it... " > # > " > # > john ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought _______________________________________________ AMC-list mailing list AMC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com