Re: [AMC-list] Need 196 for 61 Wagon

[Joe Fulton <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

If the valve cover has two large screws that fasten it to the cylinder head it is a 195.6 OHV engine. Only the overhead valve were installed in the Classic series.  It could be either a cast iron block or it could have the aluminum block.  The easiest was to tell (besides using a magnet on the block) is to look for the oil filter facing to the rear on the oil pump low on the passenger side of the engine.  If it has that oil filter arrangement it is has the aluminum block.  Joe Fulton

--- On Sun, 8/9/09, Thomas Garner <Tgarner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Thomas Garner <Tgarner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] Need 196 for 61 Wagon
> To: gorhodes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: "AMC List" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 6:57 PM
> I'm in Lebanon, TN. (just east of
> nashville) 
> I got a 63 Rambler Classic with an engine. I think it's the
> 196 OHV. Somebody once told me how to tell, but I can't
> remember. The tranny is automatic.
> 
>  If somebody could remind me how to tell what I have, maybe
> it's what you need.
> It's NOT the flat head.
> 
>  Need 196 for 61 Wagon
> 
> I got a little more info:
> 
> 1961 Classic, 196 OHV, automatic transmission. Located in
> Springfield, TN.
> This would be a crank with a "cone" on the end, I think.
> The "flat butt"
> crank for the auto didn't appear until late 62 or 63. I'm
> not sure if he
> needs a rebuilder or is looking for a running engine, I
> suspect the
> later. If a rebuilder is needed (bad block?) then any year
> 196 work
> provided the crankshaft in the original engine is good and
> can be used.
> 
> If a running engine is needed it must be from an automatic
> equipped car.
> There was supposedly a cone attachment for the flat crank
> to allow using
> the auto, but I've never seen one, and don't know if the
> cone is pressed
> into the pilot pushing hole or made onto the crank. I
> suspect the later,
> and that the adapter pressed into the pilot hole. But
> that's just
> guessing on my part. The cone meets the torque converter
> and supports
> the front of it, so you can't run without the cone. I'm not
> sure if a
> later model "flat butt" crank converter and flexplate would
> work with
> the earlier transmission.
> 
> --------
> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:05:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "gorhodes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> "
> 
> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] AMC-list Digest, Vol 4, Issue 57
> 
> Help.I need 196 six cylinder motor for 1961 Rambler
> Station
> wagon.Anybody got one?
> 
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