Count me among the dissenters. Among my other beefs with cash for clunkers (crush a perfectly good, running, useable vehicle for the sake of new car sales?), is that it threatens not the collector car hobby now, but the collector car hobby of the future. The people who agree with this law claim that only worthless cars that will never become collectible will be turned in under this program, thus it poses no threat to the collector car hobby. But let's look at the Model T, any Edsel, 1970s Japanese cars and, yes, Ramblers and AMCs. They were all considered throwaway, uncollectible cars at some point in time. In the 1940s, nobody could have predicted that people will continue to debate how to properly restore a Model T sedan 60 years into the future. In the 1960s, people were laughed at for driving fuddy duddy old Ramblers. And today? Try going to an all-makes show without seeing any one of the above cars. Heck, nobody ever thought four-doors or station wagons would serve any purpose outside the demo derby arenas, but plenty of people collect, preserve and restore those cars. Can we predict what will become collectible in the future? No, not at all. Maybe first-generation minivans? Maybe early SUVs? Maybe the last of the rear-drive GM G-bodies? Or, let's drive this home: How many Eagles will this program crush? Nor can we predict what the next generation of car collectors will want to buy, preserve and restore when they reach the age when they can do so. If we unwittingly crush the exact vehicles they will eventually desire, then we risk losing an entire generation of car collectors and car enthusiasts, which should frighten the bejesus out of anybody in the collector car hobby who sincerely worries about attracting younger people into the hobby. I'm not arguing every vehicle should be saved, restored and put back on the streets. I know that's impossible. But to artificially shorten the natural lifespan of an automobile (new car -> used car -> clunker -> cult favorite -> collector car) will do our automotive heritage a great disservice. I also know that car collectors are a vast minority when stacked against the auto industry and the green movement, which is why I was greatly surprised by the 1984 cutoff that SEMA managed to get inserted into the program. But it drives me nuts when I see people in the collector car hobby - people who should appreciate older cars - claim that this legislation won't affect them. Sorry for the rant. dan Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:50:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Wrambler <wrambler242@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-list] cash for clunkers To: "Rambler AMC, Nash, Jeep and family" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <1996325675.804011246891810749.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx .comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 yeah, this "new" clunker law has a whole pile of regs to keep people from buying a $200 car and trading it in. the 84 cutoff date is/was intended to keep classic vehicles from being scrapped. Although I'm betting there are few 80's fan that are unhappy.... Mark Price _______________________________________________ AMC-list mailing list AMC-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://list.amc-list.com/listinfo.cgi/amc-list-amc-list.com